PLAN Aircraft Carrier programme...(Closed)

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Blitzo

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SOC is cartography analyst by profession. You left out the the rest of the quote Here is what he said .Of course nobody can be certain since PLAN doesn't have the habit of divulge their building plan. But by all indication it is military ship no doubt about it

However, the dimensions of the visible object closely match the waterline measurements of 270×35 m for Liaoning. Furthermore, Kuznetsov underwent a similar assembly process at Nikolayev shipyard in the mid-1980s; a significant portion of the lower hull was completed before work began on the flight decks and island, resulting in an incomplete hull similar to that seen at Dalian on 22 September. …

Jeff is still correct, in that it is still too soon for positive confirmation of the ship, which SOC's article also says: "While a conclusive identification of the hull as an aircraft carrier cannot be made until work is observed on the upper decks and potential flight deck, the slow pace of assembly and outline suggests a military hull under construction"

Give it another few months, and I'm sure we'll get positive ID soon enough.

Until then, I think it's worth mentioning that for every week that goes by that this ship is not launched, the chances of it being a commercial vessel drops even more. SOC is correct in the article, in suggesting that if it were a commercial ship, its pace of construction and launch would have been much faster.
 

Richard Santos

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If there is reason to think this is not a carrier hull, perhaps one could suggest an alternative use for a 270 meter hull with apparently fine bow entrance (meaning it is designed to achieve unusually high speed, not ease of construction, ease of docking, or voluminous accommodation).

A new translation liner, perhaps?
 

Jeff Head

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SOC is cartography analyst by profession. You left out the the rest of the quote Here is what he said .Of course nobody can be certain since PLAN doesn't have the habit of divulge their building plan. But by all indication it is military ship no doubt about it

However, the dimensions of the visible object closely match the waterline measurements of 270×35 m for Liaoning. Furthermore, Kuznetsov underwent a similar assembly process at Nikolayev shipyard in the mid-1980s; a significant portion of the lower hull was completed before work began on the flight decks and island, resulting in an incomplete hull similar to that seen at Dalian on 22 September. …
Yes...all of this is true...but by their own admission..."definitive identification of the Dalian hull as the first so-called ‘001A’ aircraft carrier is not possible."

We'll give it another few iterations.
 

Totoro

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why does he say 35m waterline width when based on the image it's clearly 38 meters - which again matches kuznetsov's 38 waterline beam?

On the other hand, projecting the missing bow section to follow the same curve as kuznetsov has at the waterline, and assuming the aft section visible is end of waterline part of the bow - then i get 285/290 meter long hull at the waterline. An error or possible indication the design has indeed been enlarged and hull possibly lengthened?
 

JayBird

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For 001A maybe interesting some views there :
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Serious or not ?
Presumably not in service before 2020 minimum.

The author of that post admited he wrote that post half a year ago purely on his own speculation. And didn't want to post it back then until he saw fzgfzy's recent posts regarding 001A.

As for where Liaoning is right now, some FYJS member claimed CV-16 'Liaoning' just returned to home port in Qingdao on Sept-24 after almost one month out at sea since Augest-28. Maybe the crew of Liaoning will also get some shore leave for the Oct-1 national holiday.:)
 

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Translated to English this statement in the article stood out to me;

American carriers are set up in the aft area is quite large repair areas, especially those with specialized engine test area, you can renew level of repair and maintenance on the aircraft, for aircraft carrier fighting to protect significant.

Yep ..USN CV's have excellent maintenance facilities. I've yet to see a single picture of an PLAN soldier turning a wrench. Do they repair aircraft at sea? Or do they just do minor maintenance?..do they wash those aircraft? Never seen a pic of that either. They'd better be washing 'em..

The PLAN will have a fully operational carrier when they can do this..

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WATERS OFF THE COAST OF GUAM (Sept. 21, 2015) Aviation Machinist Mate Airman Aaron Clement, from Potsdam, N.Y., performs a leak check on an F414-GE-400 engine on the fantail of the Nimitz-class aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan (CVN 76). Ronald Reagan and its embarked air wing, Carrier Air Wing (CVW) 5, provide a combat-ready force that protects the collective maritime interests of its allies and partners in the Indo-Asia-Pacific Region. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist Seaman MacAdam Kane Weissman/Released)

And this..

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PACIFIC OCEAN (June 2, 2014) Sailors rig the emergency-landing barricade during a flight deck drill aboard the aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson (CVN 70). Carl Vinson is underway conducting composite training unit exercise off the coast of Southern California. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class John Philip Wagner Jr./Released)

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Naval Aircraft require regular intensive maintenance..

WATERS NEAR OKINAWA (June 6, 2014) Aviation Machinist's Mate 3rd Class Cassandra Vela, from Beeville, Texas, changes an actuator on an F/A-18E Super Hornet engine in the hangar bay of the aircraft carrier USS George Washington (CVN 73). George Washington and its embarked air wing, Carrier Air Wing (CVW) 5, provide a combat-ready force that protects and defends the collective maritime interest of the U.S. and its allies and partners in the Indo-Asia-Pacific region. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist Seaman Apprentice Oscar Albert Moreno Jr./Released)

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Ah yes.. fond memories of the Tomcat.Tomcats while a beautiful aircraft to observe was in my and many others opinion a maintenance nightmare. Requiring more maintenance hours per flight hour than any other Naval aircraft...

The Mediterranean Sea (Apr. 28, 2003) -- Sailors assigned to the “Swordsmen” of Fighter Squadron Thirty Two (VF-32) perform maintenance on an F-14 Tomcat in the hangar bay aboard USS Harry S. Truman (CVN 75). Truman and Carrier Air Wing Three (CVW-3) are on deployment conducting missions in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom. Operation Iraqi Freedom is the multinational coalition effort to liberate the Iraqi people, eliminate Iraq's weapons of mass destruction and end the regime of Saddam Hussein. U.S. Navy photo by Photographer's Mate Airman Ryan O'Connor. (RELEASED)
 

JayBird

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Translated to English this statement in the article stood out to me;



Yep ..USN CV's have excellent maintenance facilities. I've yet to see a single picture of an PLAN soldier turning a wrench. Do they repair aircraft at sea? Or do they just do minor maintenance?..do they wash those aircraft? Never seen a pic of that either. They'd better be washing 'em..

The PLAN will have a fully operational carrier when they can do this..

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And this..

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Naval Aircraft require regular intensive maintenance..



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Ah yes.. fond memories of the Tomcat.Tomcats while a beautiful aircraft to observe was in my and many others opinion a maintenance nightmare. Requiring more maintenance hours per flight hour than any other Naval aircraft...

Like for Aviation Machinist's Mate 3rd Class Cassandra Vela, from Beeville, Texas!:D
 
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