Could be.
Either way, I had not seen it before and I liked the interview and the Admiral's disposition and answers. Of course, for me, it helped that is was all in English too.
Wish we could see more of that type of stuff.
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Either way, I had not seen it before and I liked the interview and the Admiral's disposition and answers. Of course, for me, it helped that is was all in English too.
Wish we could see more of that type of stuff.
Blackstone
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You mean China stole our invisibility cloak technology too?
JayBird
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Original source of that article is some tabloid newspaper with a history of sensational false stories. No one in chinese forum believe such a story anyway. pop3 says nothing is real in that article other than the Chinese words written is real chinese language.
Well, I never said anyone believed it, Jaybird. I simply responded to what was posted here on SD....source of that article is some tabloid newspaper with a history of sensational false stories. No one in chinese forum believe such a story.
Sounds like myself and those folks on the other forum agree.
It is possible to make a partial major warship hull that is less than 50% structurally complete, missing several decks, and minus major sections such as the entire bow or stern, watertight and launch it. It has been done before. The reasons for doing so includes the need to vacate the building way or the need to complete the hull at a different yard. In one case it was attempted to try to evacuate a unfinished battleship hull before the yard is occupied by the Germans. I think if the Chinese really wants to launch that hull by year's end, it can be done.
Although given the slow pace and methodical approach the Chinese had adopted for their carrier program, I don't see why the Chinese would wish suddenly do something so precipitous for no strong, program related reason.
In the last 10+ years I have not seen the Chinese ever do this on any major program,
I have seen India do it and for obvious reasons (some of which you stated here.
Doing so is tantamount to admitting there is a major problem, but getting it launched is less painful than not doing so.
I see no reason whatsoever to move the Chinese to do this...ergo, it is absolutely far fetched.
Besides, with that vessel supposedly being a major carrier, and not even being up to the hanger deck just a few weeks ago...I simply do not see it happening in any case
I agree too. I found it strange that Marine Forum Daily News would take it sufficiently seriously to take it, even when they said "wait and see".
Hendrik_2000
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Our friend SOC from IHS Jane of the opinion that the mystery ship is in fact Carrier Anybody has subscription on Jane Defence for the full article ? Here is the abridge version
Sean O’Connor, “,” IHS Jane’s Defence Weekly, 24 September 2015.
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Key Points
Airbus Defence and Space imagery captured on 22 September suggests that the possible carrier is under construction in the dry dock associated with the refit and repair of Liaoning (CV16), the Soviet-era Kuznetsov-class carrier acquired from Ukraine that is now in People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) service.
The new hull, first noted under construction in imagery captured on 10 March, is in an advanced state of assembly. … …
… Imagery from 22 September shows a lengthened aft section and expanded bow. The hull is currently assessed to have a length of about 240 m and a beam of about 35 m. The incomplete bow suggests a length of at least 270 m for the completed hull.
Given the incomplete nature of the upper decks, definitive identification of the Dalian hull as the first so-called ‘001A’ aircraft carrier is not possible. However, the dimensions of the visible object closely match the waterline measurements of 270×35 m for Liaoning. Furthermore, Kuznetsov underwent a similar assembly process at Nikolayev shipyard in the mid-1980s; a significant portion of the lower hull was completed before work began on the flight decks and island, resulting in an incomplete hull similar to that seen at Dalian on 22 September. …
Chinese media has previously reported that construction of the 001A aircraft carrier, an improved design based on Liaoning, began at Dalian shipyard in December 2013. Initial efforts likely centred on component preparation. Analysis of imagery captured at various points in 2014 revealed no outward evidence of hull assembly within a dry dock.
If not the 001A hull, the incomplete object possibly represents a new class of amphibious assault ship or helicopter carrier, as the comparatively slow pace of assembly suggests a military rather than commercial hull.
A significant degree of modular assembly employed in the production of large commercial hulls results in rapid completion times. The previous hull launched from the dry dock in question, a 330×60 m commercial vessel, took less than nine months to complete. Work on the comparatively smaller hull currently under assembly has been in progress for six months, the slower pace of work suggesting a more complicated internal layout than that of a simple commercial vessel. …
Sean O’Connor, “,” IHS Jane’s Defence Weekly, 24 September 2015.
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Key Points
- An unidentified hull in an advanced state of construction at Dalian shipyard could be China’s first indigenous aircraft carrier
- While a conclusive identification of the hull as an aircraft carrier cannot be made until work is observed on the upper decks and potential flight deck, the slow pace of assembly and outline suggests a military hull under construction
Airbus Defence and Space imagery captured on 22 September suggests that the possible carrier is under construction in the dry dock associated with the refit and repair of Liaoning (CV16), the Soviet-era Kuznetsov-class carrier acquired from Ukraine that is now in People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) service.
The new hull, first noted under construction in imagery captured on 10 March, is in an advanced state of assembly. … …
… Imagery from 22 September shows a lengthened aft section and expanded bow. The hull is currently assessed to have a length of about 240 m and a beam of about 35 m. The incomplete bow suggests a length of at least 270 m for the completed hull.
Given the incomplete nature of the upper decks, definitive identification of the Dalian hull as the first so-called ‘001A’ aircraft carrier is not possible. However, the dimensions of the visible object closely match the waterline measurements of 270×35 m for Liaoning. Furthermore, Kuznetsov underwent a similar assembly process at Nikolayev shipyard in the mid-1980s; a significant portion of the lower hull was completed before work began on the flight decks and island, resulting in an incomplete hull similar to that seen at Dalian on 22 September. …
Chinese media has previously reported that construction of the 001A aircraft carrier, an improved design based on Liaoning, began at Dalian shipyard in December 2013. Initial efforts likely centred on component preparation. Analysis of imagery captured at various points in 2014 revealed no outward evidence of hull assembly within a dry dock.
If not the 001A hull, the incomplete object possibly represents a new class of amphibious assault ship or helicopter carrier, as the comparatively slow pace of assembly suggests a military rather than commercial hull.
A significant degree of modular assembly employed in the production of large commercial hulls results in rapid completion times. The previous hull launched from the dry dock in question, a 330×60 m commercial vessel, took less than nine months to complete. Work on the comparatively smaller hull currently under assembly has been in progress for six months, the slower pace of work suggesting a more complicated internal layout than that of a simple commercial vessel. …
This pretty much agrees with what most of have been saying on this thread and others about the mystery ship on numerous occasions.
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Still too soon to tell.
Give it a few moiré iterations of pictures and particularly if we see details of the after section of the ship, or if the construction proceeds a bit further towards the flight deck, or to clear indications of openings for the elevators, and we will be able to nail it.
Hendrik_2000
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SOC is cartography analyst by profession. You left out the the rest of the quote Here is what he said .Of course nobody can be certain since PLAN doesn't have the habit of divulge their building plan. But by all indication it is military ship no doubt about it
However, the dimensions of the visible object closely match the waterline measurements of 270×35 m for Liaoning. Furthermore, Kuznetsov underwent a similar assembly process at Nikolayev shipyard in the mid-1980s; a significant portion of the lower hull was completed before work began on the flight decks and island, resulting in an incomplete hull similar to that seen at Dalian on 22 September. …
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