Blackstone
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To the contrary, I travel to China for work periodically, and was just there in June. Here are some pictures of the Shanghai skyline, at around 7AM. To be fair, pollution is getting better, it was visibly worse 3 or 4 years ago.
PLAN Aircraft Carrier programme...(Closed)
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To the contrary, I travel to China for work periodically, and was just there in June. Here are some pictures of the Shanghai skyline, at around 7AM. To be fair, pollution is getting better, it was visibly worse 3 or 4 years ago.
Amen to that! And welcome back!... and now back to the PLAN Carrier programme !
asif iqbal
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Actually this is a good point and switching engines while at sea is a serious under taking and something which has to be done at some point
For USN it's standard protocol no sweat job as they are deployed all over the world for 9 months or longer the carriers are running 24/7 365 plus the USN supply chain is also spanning the globe they can fly the engines and their parts in and out from the carrier while underway, the USN logistics is very extensive
For PLAN we are talking about a different game, they won't be deployed like the USN but will be sailing and sometimes far but even if you don't sail far you still need to change engines that's just the way maintenance works
This is why I keep going back to the anti piracy missions because I think it was the 10th escort flotilla who had to change the engine of the Z9C helicopter because it had packed up that's why these missions are so so important you learn on the job at sea
Don't think PLAN has ever done that before it was a first for them but they managed and they did get the helo back in the air
So there's no question at some point J15 engine will need replacement on Liaoning and I think if it comes to it they probably could get it changed since the standard procedures will include engine replacement they must do after 18 piracy missions they have learnt a lot
Probably not the easiest thing not something you want to do but the Chinese carrier programme is no joke they are serious and will have every angle covered
actually shouldn't be as bad as it sounds, most fighter aircraft "split" in the middle, and the tail pulls away from the forward fuse, behind the wing center section. Once it is split it is normally a matter of hours to change the engine, unbolt the mounts and controls, fuel, hydraulics, etc, in fact some crews can do it in around 2 hours, assuming no big blow ups or major damage.... I believe the T-Birds and the Blues teams are very fast, and they miss very few shows, I believe "Fat Albert carries a spare engine or two, along with other spares..... They are the exception, but it can be done????
Intrepid
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The US Navy can repair and test jet engines. They can even deliver a new engine to the carrier with their C-2. But they have 100 sorties a day and a large number of different engines in use. And the carriers are underway for long periodes.
The PLAN has 100 sorties in several month and only one type of engines in use. They can store enough spare engines if necessary, they have no need to repair and test.
The first Chinese fleet carrier for overseas duty will have an engine test stand as well.
The PLAN has 100 sorties in several month and only one type of engines in use. They can store enough spare engines if necessary, they have no need to repair and test.
The first Chinese fleet carrier for overseas duty will have an engine test stand as well.
Ahh.. the USN also store jet engines aboard the ship. Plenty of space for that. On the hangar. In store rooms below deck and on sponsons. And as I pointed out in a previous post if one is needed for any situation and the engine is not onboard it is delivered by VERTREP or RAS.
Hendrik_2000
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Just because it first posted by wantchina don't dismiss it as BS They quote some one from China Naval research.Here is the quote
Cao Dongwei, senior colonel and researcher at the People's Liberation Army Naval Research Institute, said the aircraft carrier could gain the upper hand in any potential battle for air or sea supremacy. The lineup may differ for various missions, however. The full lineup of 36 aircraft shows that the "PLA Navy's era of aircraft" has arrived, the report said.
Lineup of 36 aircraft on China's Liaoning carrier revealed
Staff Reporter
2014-08-28
15:23 (GMT+8)
Liaoning, can carry four Z-18J airborne early warning (AEW) helicopters, six Z-18F anti-submarine helicopters, two Z-9C rescue helicopters, and 24 J-15 shipborne fighter jets, the Chinese-language Shanghai Morning Post reported on Aug. 28.
Cao Dongwei, senior colonel and researcher at the People's Liberation Army Naval Research Institute, said the aircraft carrier could gain the upper hand in any potential battle for air or sea supremacy. The lineup may differ for various missions, however. The full lineup of 36 aircraft shows that the "PLA Navy's era of aircraft" has arrived, the report said.
On the tail of the Z-18F helicopter is the image of a sea eagle sprawling its talons, which suggests that the aircraft's mission is to seek out and attack enemy submarines, according to the paper. Cao said it is common practice to mark aircraft with physically tough and fierce animals to "show the spirit of bravery of the pilot and the craft itself."
The helicopter has a shipborne sea search radar that enables 360-degree detection and is equipped with dipping sonar and the report speculated that it can carry 32 sonobuoys.
China is faced with a grave threat from the US, which owns the most advanced nuclear submarines, as well as Japan's Maritime Self-Defense Force, the report said. Countries operating in the South China Sea, particularly those engaged in territorial disputes with China, have also been strengthening their naval forces, putting pressure on China, said the report.
The Z-9C helicopter's ZLC-1 radar can detect up to a range of 150 meters, while the Z-18F helicopter is equipped with four 7K anti-submarine torpedoes and four YJ-91 missiles.
"In offshore combat, we are mainly faced with challenges to defensive military operations," said Cao. "We need to power up anti-submarine capability to prevent offshore detection from potential opponents and to prevent a mine blockade."
Cao Dongwei, senior colonel and researcher at the People's Liberation Army Naval Research Institute, said the aircraft carrier could gain the upper hand in any potential battle for air or sea supremacy. The lineup may differ for various missions, however. The full lineup of 36 aircraft shows that the "PLA Navy's era of aircraft" has arrived, the report said.
Lineup of 36 aircraft on China's Liaoning carrier revealed
Staff Reporter
2014-08-28
15:23 (GMT+8)
Liaoning, can carry four Z-18J airborne early warning (AEW) helicopters, six Z-18F anti-submarine helicopters, two Z-9C rescue helicopters, and 24 J-15 shipborne fighter jets, the Chinese-language Shanghai Morning Post reported on Aug. 28.
Cao Dongwei, senior colonel and researcher at the People's Liberation Army Naval Research Institute, said the aircraft carrier could gain the upper hand in any potential battle for air or sea supremacy. The lineup may differ for various missions, however. The full lineup of 36 aircraft shows that the "PLA Navy's era of aircraft" has arrived, the report said.
On the tail of the Z-18F helicopter is the image of a sea eagle sprawling its talons, which suggests that the aircraft's mission is to seek out and attack enemy submarines, according to the paper. Cao said it is common practice to mark aircraft with physically tough and fierce animals to "show the spirit of bravery of the pilot and the craft itself."
The helicopter has a shipborne sea search radar that enables 360-degree detection and is equipped with dipping sonar and the report speculated that it can carry 32 sonobuoys.
China is faced with a grave threat from the US, which owns the most advanced nuclear submarines, as well as Japan's Maritime Self-Defense Force, the report said. Countries operating in the South China Sea, particularly those engaged in territorial disputes with China, have also been strengthening their naval forces, putting pressure on China, said the report.
The Z-9C helicopter's ZLC-1 radar can detect up to a range of 150 meters, while the Z-18F helicopter is equipped with four 7K anti-submarine torpedoes and four YJ-91 missiles.
"In offshore combat, we are mainly faced with challenges to defensive military operations," said Cao. "We need to power up anti-submarine capability to prevent offshore detection from potential opponents and to prevent a mine blockade."
I believe the ZLC-1 radar can detect up to 150 kilometer and not meters as pointed out in the report.
Its not Wantchinatimes that is quoting that senior colonel its the Shanghai Morning Post that is supposedly quoting that senior colonel. Wantchinatimes is up to their old trick again with no link back to the original article. And isn't a colonel an army officer and not a navy officer ? So he is in no position to comment on carrier air wing composition. And what is a colonel an army officer doing in the People's Liberation Army Naval Research Institute ?
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