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bd popeye

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Great post Franklin.:eek:

Cao Dongwei, senior colonel and researcher at the People's Liberation Army Naval Research Institute, said the aircraft carrier could gain the upper hand in any potential battle for air or sea supremacy. The lineup may differ for various missions, however. The full lineup of 36 aircraft shows that the "PLA Navy's era of aircraft" has arrived, the report said.
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Gain the upper hand? How so? What carrier tactics has the PLAN developed.?:confused: C'mon General...

36 aircraft. That's the figure I've been reading for some time. I saw an interview some time ago with the Captain of CV-16 and he stated the very same thing.

I've stated this before and I will state it again..24 J-15s will be a tight fit on CV-16. Perhaps he was referring to a future PLAN CV.
 
Hendrik_2000

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Its not Wantchinatimes that is quoting that senior colonel its the Shanghai Morning Post that is supposedly quoting that senior colonel. Wantchinatimes is up to their old trick again with no link back to the original article. And isn't a colonel an army officer and not a navy officer ? So he is in no position to comment on carrier air wing composition. And what is a colonel an army officer doing in the People's Liberation Army Naval Research Institute ?
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Gee some people try to hide their ignorance by acting smart. Please check the fact first before you open your mouth genius The Chinese navy has senior colonel ranking in their rank Check this one

The PLA Navy's first spokeswoman, Senior Colonel Xing Guangmei, addresses a press conference in Weihai, Shandong Province, on August 26, 2014. This is her first public appearance after taking the post last November. [Photo: mod.gov.cn]
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Gee some people try to hide their ignorance by acting smart. Please check the fact first before you open your mouth genius The Chinese navy has senior colonel ranking in their rank Check this one

The PLA Navy's first spokeswoman, Senior Colonel Xing Guangmei, addresses a press conference in Weihai, Shandong Province, on August 26, 2014. This is her first public appearance after taking the post last November. [Photo: mod.gov.cn]
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So, China has the rank of senior colonel in the navy. Very interesting. But that article still doesn't link back to the original source which makes me extremely suspicious of its content.
 
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I don't think the article says anything that's surprising, although I doubt Z-18F will be carrying 4 torpedoes and 4 YJ-91s at the same time.
 
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I saw this article as well but skipped it. The problem with WantChinaTimes is that when they are not writing propaganda related pieces, they are posting guess work. Sometimes educated... but usually not :) And almost always missing reliable source details.

Back to the carrier, does anyone have a projection on when we'll see the first modules for the Liaoning follow on? My best guess is sometime after the next Chinese New Year.
 
Jeff Head

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bd popeye said:
Gain the upper hand? How so? What carrier tactics has the PLAN developed.?:confused: C'mon General...

I've stated this before and I will state it again..24 J-15s will be a tight fit on CV-16. Perhaps he was referring to a future PLAN CV.
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I was wondering the same.

I think in such a hypothetical scenario, it is most likely that perhaps 20 J-15s would be accommodated, but also believe, by spotting them on deck they could go with 24. But that would be a very tight fit, probably negatively impacting operational tempo.

They would have to face, a US carrier with at least 48, and up to 60 strike fighters each. And probably face at least two of those carrier groups, if not three.

With refueling capabilities off of the US carrier, and with addition of stealthy F35-C strike aircraft also controlling even more stealythy UCAVs, I do not believe one or even two Liaoning class carrier groups would have much chance of gaining the upper hand, even if they remained within the 1st Island chain. They would have 48 strike aircraft available in such a scenario from their carriers, while they eould face 180. This leaves out land based air over the 1st Island chain which the Mainland would deploy in large numbers...but F-22s and many other aircraft fom bases in the area would also deploy in large numbers. So, IMHO, it becomes a wash with that consideration, and we are back to the carriers.

I therefore believe that the comment of gaining the upper hand was either directed at the other local regional nations like Japan, Korea, the Philippines, Vietnam, Singapore, and possibly Australia instead of the US, or was directed at some future date when the PLAN deploys more and larger carriers.
 
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I was wondering the same.

I think in such a hypothetical scenario, it is most likely that perhaps 20 J-15s would be accommodated, but also believe, by spotting them on deck they could go with 24. But that would be a very tight fit, probably negatively impacting operational tempo.

They would have to face, a US carrier with at least 48, and up to 60 strike fighters each. And probably face at least two of those carrier groups, if not three.

With refueling capabilities off of the US carrier, and with addition of stealthy F35-C strike aircraft also controlling even more stealythy UCAVs, I do not believe one or even two Liaoning class carrier groups would have much chance of gaining the upper hand, even if they remained within the 1st Island chain. They would have 48 strike aircraft available in such a scenario from their carriers, while they eould face 180. This leaves out land based air over the 1st Island chain which the Mainland would deploy in large numbers...but F-22s and many other aircraft fom bases in the area would also deploy in large numbers. So, IMHO, it becomes a wash with that consideration, and we are back to the carriers.

I therefore believe that the comment of gaining the upper hand was either directed at the other local regional nations like Japan, Korea, the Philippines, Vietnam, Singapore, and possibly Australia instead of the US, or was directed at some future date when the PLAN deploys more and larger carriers.
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I think you guys are reading too much into it. First off did the person actually said 'upper hand' or was it translated into English?

Secondly if there is anybody who knows the capabilities of the USN (outside of the USN itself and allied countries) better is probably the PLAN. I don't think anyone and certainly not PLAN Sr. officers would even remotely think the Liaoning has an 'upper hand' over a CVN or CSG unless they are trolling.

I believe what they meant was with Liaoning coming online, she will give PLAN an added and crucial capability that did not exist before thereby giving them an 'upper hand' over their current abilities and power projection.
 
Hendrik_2000

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So, China has the rank of senior colonel in the navy. Very interesting. But that article still doesn't link back to the original source which makes me extremely suspicious of its content.
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The Sceptic had been proven wrong again and again but they never give up. When Liaoning was refitted they say it will never sailed because China lack the technology . At the eve of commissioning, they say yeah it will sail but it will take 20 years for the China to master the carrier landing. After the first flight from the deck and safely landed within a year, they say well , It will take another 20 years to master the production of J 15. Well we have at least 10 if not 12 production aircraft now and more are coming

The problem it is not China the problem is these people expect too much.Let face it China is middle age country dragged into the modern world kicking and screaming. After falling behind by 100 years they now close the gap in short a short time is nothing short of miracle . Against all the odd like technology embargo,political turmoil, war,containment etc, they persists and methodically advance . So I say good work and don't let your detractor bother you prove to the sceptic what you are made of, keep pressing ahead
 
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The Sceptic had been proven wrong again and again but they never give up. When Liaoning was refitted they say it will never sailed because China lack the technology . At the eve of commissioning, they say yeah it will sail but it will take 20 years for the China to master the carrier landing. After the first flight from the deck and safely landed within a year, they say well , It will take another 20 years to master the production of J 15. Well we have at least 10 if not 12 production aircraft now and more are coming

The problem it is not China the problem is these people expect too much.Let face it China is middle age country dragged into the modern world kicking and screaming. After falling behind by 100 years they now close the gap in short a short time is nothing short of miracle . Against all the odd like technology embargo etc, they persists and methodically advance . So I say good work and don't let your detractor bother you prove to the sceptic what you are made of, keep pressing ahead
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I'm only questioning the accuracy of the report from WantChinaTimes that is well known for its unreliability.

As for the Liaoning I try to take a realistic view. I find the carrier to be quite impressive, but the ships design has its limitations. I think that 20 Flankers and 12 helicopters is the best air wing composition for the Liaoning. That means 14 to 16 Flankers on the flight deck with another 4 to 6 Flankers below in the hangar. And then there are the helicopters. If you add another 4 Flankers in to the equation then the space both on the flight deck and in the hangar deck may become too tight to operate smoothly and safely.

I do believe that the Liaoning is able to carry 24 Flankers and maybe they will. But I don't think they should.
 
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