PLAN Aircraft Carrier programme...(Closed)
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True! and it's deck, overhead, & bulkhead(wall). A Hatch is a door in the deck..A door in the bulkhead is still a door.
The hangar on this class of CV is still too small for those very large J-15s. Just my opinion.
True! and it's deck, overhead, & bulkhead(wall). A Hatch is a door in the deck..A door in the bulkhead is still a door.
The hangar on this class of CV is still too small for those very large J-15s. Just my opinion.
Right you are Pappy, and the SU-33/J-15 are awesome carrier aircraft, equivalent to your lovely old TomKat, but more than a skosh to large for the Liaoning and the Adm Kuz, you would have to have a little room to unfold the wings for maintenance, and there are maintenance tasks that would require the wings to be unfolded, possibly even a retract test, were you jack the bird up and operate the gear with a hydraulic mule, but the Chinese have proven adaptable so far, but the hangar bay on the Liaoning has never been full to date, so we don't really know how that will all work out,,,,, I'm surprised they layed her up for heavy maintenance prior to doing more carrier quals???? but oh well.
That will be the real test. Can the PLAN perform major maintenance at sea? If they follow the USN example they will be able to perform maintenance at sea. If not they will not be able to deploy a carrier for very long periods of time with any sort of air wing. Trust me on this . These high performance aircraft require regular maintenance and their systems do break down.;
kwaigonegin
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Right on. A large bird like the j-15 etc needs 4 acres of space up top and a huge hanger down below to play properly otherwise you are not fully optimizing the effectiveness of the assets by limiting the numbers of aircraft carried.
There is a lot of science that goes into carefully crafting the types and number of aircrafts in a CVW.
It's not just some numbers someone thought up overnight. PLAN knows this of course which is why pretty much everyone knows multiple 75-90 ton CV/CVNs are on the menu.
I look forward to the day where Flanker variants are shooting off the cats from a 'real' carrier but for now Liaoning will do.
Intrepid
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For example: do they have an engine test stand for not only change but repair jet engines? I haven't seen such a stand until now.
I guess an air wing of 24 Flankers maybe too ambitious for the Liaoning 18 to 20 Flankers is more realistic or more effective. They can put 24 Flankers on the Liaoning but that will be a squeeze and comes at the price of efficiency and safety. The current Russian air wing on the Admiral Kuznetsov is 14 SU-33, 4 SU-25 and about 17 helicopters. China maybe able to fit 20 Flankers and 12 helicopters on the Liaoning at most. And the Russians are about to replace their current air wing with 28 MiG-29K Fulcrum-D's.
Excellent.. the man that worked in Pri-Fly knows. It's called deck multiple.
How many aircraft can this ship safely handle? I know the skipper of CV-16 stated the PLAN has plans for 36 aircrfat aboard CV-16. How many J-15s? Does anyone know for sure?
I'm not sure where I read it but I know I read that I read the RUN CV Admiral Kuznetsov does not have a jet repair shop...I wonder if Liaoning does?
kwaigonegin
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which would be very difficult because it will hamper flight operations not to mention adding additional safety hazard to the already dangerous flight deck.
The Kutz class (Liaoning) do not have opening on the stern or fantail to test jet engines. The best they could do is to tie down on the aft elevators for testing the jets. My guess is they will do it in extreme cases but probably not on a regular basis like USN but they may not need to because Liaoning probably won't venture too far off into the other side of the world like USN carriers. Home port is probably not too far away at most times.
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