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Deino

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Can this be true ??? :confused: ... I mean not that the carrier is finall under constructuon but that Jane's has got it right !??? :D;):D;):D (given that dumb report
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PLAN to get first homegrown carrier by 2017, claims local media
Sean O'Connor, Indiana - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
10 June 2014

The first homegrown Chinese aircraft carrier is under construction at Dalian and will enter service by 2017, according to the June 2014 issue of Shipborne Weapons , a Chinese-language magazine detailing various naval weapon developments.

In an article titled 'Prospects for Chinese Carrier Strike Groups', the magazine claims it has official data regarding the follow-on vessels to the People's Liberation Army Navy's (PLAN's) first carrier, Liaoning (CV16). Dr Martin Andrew, a specialist in Chinese military affairs, translated the article for his GI Zhou Newsletter and told IHS Jane's he thought it was a credible source.

The article claims that China plans to field three additional aircraft carriers by 2019.


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kwaigonegin

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I have my own thoughts on this, and they are similar.

Can some women perform in combat conditions? Yes, of course.

Is having mixed-gender crews, squads, etc advisable? IMHO, no.

Human nature is what it is. People who are expected to be in combat absolutely have to be focused. Absolutely have to not have any "romance," or potential for "romance," within their ranks...or any of the myriad of things that go with it. It is destructive to group cohesion and ultimately will led to the comrpomise of the mission at some level. That is dangerous to the people in thiose groups...and to the intersts of the nation.

Nuff said.

Women can and should serve.

Clearly, even in tradtional non-combat roles, they are goiong to be called on, on occassion to fight. That enemy can get into those non-combat areas...and have done so throughout history. When they do, anyone filling those roles and jobs, whether they be logistical, administrative, maintenance...whatever, have to be able to pick up a gun and fight. But for those roles, that remains an uncommon occurance.

IMHO, this applies to the PLAM and the Liaoning, just like it would anywhere else. There may be mitigating cultural influences...but in the end, human nature is what it is and the genders are wired accrodingly.

Just my two cents.

I like to add one more thing as well and that is the subject women war prisoners. That society may not be as 'tolerant' of women POWs for example as men. Again it's nature and cultural uprbinging of the national psyche not to mention the 'save the damsel' in distress mentality inculcated to every young boy in America since forever!

Operational decisions may be compromised or conducted less effectively if women are taken instead of men.. nevermind the torturing of women instead of men.
Imagined AQ or some groups dragging the corpses of naked American women soldiers or airmen on the streets instead of men.. can society stomach that? will our respond be the same and will we make mistakes if we base our actions when high on emotions?
 

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Can this be true ??? :confused: ... I mean not that the carrier is finall under constructuon but that Jane's has got it right !??? :D;):D;):D (given that dumb report
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Deino
Well, Deino, if they are correct and it will "enter service" by 2017, then it would have to launch sometime in late 2015. If that is the case, it should be very well along now and clear to see. But I have not seen any indication of that at Dalian.

If they mean it will launch by 2017, then it could be just a year into construction and not as noticable.

Also, saying that the PLAN is looking at "three more" by 2019, then all three of those would have to start building next year...at the same time.

So I find the reporting somewhat dubious in terms of the schedule dates.

Once the carrier, wherever it is being built...is very far along, they will not be able to hide it. And a lot of eyes are watching for just that.
 

Blackstone

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Well, Deino, if they are correct and it will "enter service" by 2017, then it would have to launch sometime in late 2015. If that is the case, it should be very well along now and clear to see. But I have not seen any indication of that at Dalian.

If they mean it will launch by 2017, then it could be just a year into construction and not as noticable.

Also, saying that the PLAN is looking at "three more" by 2019, then all three of those would have to start building next year...at the same time.

So I find the reporting somewhat dubious in terms of the schedule dates.

Once the carrier, wherever it is being built...is very far along, they will not be able to hide it. And a lot of eyes are watching for just that.
But didn't they just launched a Type 903A AOR without anyone noticing? And if that's so, then could modular segments of CV 01 be well along, but hidden from view?
 

Jeff Head

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But didn't they just launched a Type 903A AOR without anyone noticing? And if that's so, then could modular segments of CV 01 be well along, but hidden from view?
Not if they are within a year of launch.

A Type 903A AOR vessel is much smaller than a Carrier (well less than one thrid the displacement) and it is built to a different combat standard.

If they are building a carrier, and they are only one year into it...then I grant you most people would not be able to tell.

However, if this thing is supposed to be "in service" by 2017 (as reported), then that means sometime in 2015 it will launch...about a year from now.

A four year carrier construction that just has a year left...modular build or not....will stick out like a sore thumb. Huge. Well along in its structure, probably at least 80-85% structurally complete.
 

delft

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Well, Deino, if they are correct and it will "enter service" by 2017, then it would have to launch sometime in late 2015. If that is the case, it should be very well along now and clear to see. But I have not seen any indication of that at Dalian.

If they mean it will launch by 2017, then it could be just a year into construction and not as noticable.

Also, saying that the PLAN is looking at "three more" by 2019, then all three of those would have to start building next year...at the same time.

So I find the reporting somewhat dubious in terms of the schedule dates.

Once the carrier, wherever it is being built...is very far along, they will not be able to hide it. And a lot of eyes are watching for just that.

Chinese handle numbers differently from Westerners and mistakes in translating them are common. I would guess one launched in 2017, one launched in 2019 means three altogether. And that looks possible.
 

Jeff Head

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Chinese handle numbers differently from Westerners and mistakes in translating them are common. I would guess one launched in 2017, one launched in 2019 means three altogether. And that looks possible.
If that is what is meant...I agree it is possible.

But the use of the term, "in service," in naval speak is usually pretty well understood by most navies, despite numbering differences. That is the phrase that has been throwing me.
 

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Deino

seems quite implausible, but I do respect SOC's work in general.
 
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