PLAN Aircraft Carrier programme...(Closed)

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bd popeye

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I don't understand why a ship that has been commissioned less than 2 years and only been at sea for 146 days since. Needs a 6 months refit.

Carriers are large ships that have a lot of sub-systems that require regular maintenance. some of this maintenance can only be done in a shipyard when that time comes. If any navy wants their ships to be in a excellent material condition regular maintaince/upkeep and visits to a shipyard are a must. The ships company can only accomplish so much without the aid of a shipyard.

As an example CVN-77 was commissioned in January of 2009. She returned to the shipyard in June of 2009 and was there six months.

Another example..IKE was in the shipyard from September 2010 to June 2011. She worked up made a very long deployment 2012 into 2013. Then re-entered the shipyard in September of 2013 . She will be there until November-December of this year.

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Franklin

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Well if the ship isn't going to get any new systems then at least we can hope they remove all the flower pots over the ship and can install a couple of decent chairs on the bridge for the captain and the political commissar. Those poor guys have nowhere to sit!

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Jeff Head

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Well if the ship isn't going to get any new systems then at least we can hope they remove all the flour pots...
Hehehe...I am sure the flower pots are probably purely PR.

Unless they have strong magnetic bases holding them to the laundry machinary, as soon as they hit any rough seas...the flower pots would take care of themselves and be no more.
 

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advill

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Interesting. However, problems could occur when the female crew of the carriers are away for long periods of time. It would be difficult to avoid mutual interests/intimacy, especially when working together in confined spaces. Being a conservative sailor, I am never in favour of a mix-gender group in a combat ship, or in the field ops for the Army. Air Force - no problem and some of the best pilots are women. Sorry gals if I sounded chauvinistic - my opinion and I welcome constructive criticisms.




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Air Force Brat

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Interesting. However, problems could occur when the female crew of the carriers are away for long periods of time. It would be difficult to avoid mutual interests/intimacy, especially when working together in confined spaces. Being a conservative sailor, I am never in favour of a mix-gender group in a combat ship, or in the field ops for the Army. Air Force - no problem and some of the best pilots are women.


Since you asked for constructive criticism, my honest opinion is that one of the largest negative influences in the USAF is the "chickafication" of the flying service, yes there are very competent women "airmen", but they are by no means a large percentage of "airmen".... while many people are able to safely operate an aircraft, to be the best, is the realm of only a few. Airmanship, has been compromised in the name of "equality", and that gentlemen is criminal, and a dereliction of duty, and one of the reasons "safety" has suffered... as the Father of seven daughters, I have encouraged them to do and be what they want, non have chosen to pick up a hammer, non-show any affinity for Snap-On tools, non are particularly inclined to want to fly, although several of them, like the idea, not one has "drooled on my gixxer", although one did "love", my old Toyota Landcruiser, my boys on the other hand have, and that gentlemen, is nature, not nuture. I agree that there are some women aviators who are better pilots than a large percentage of men, but they are genetic creations, the product of their genetics, to operate an aircraft can be taught to many, to be a pilot, is a rare gift, shared by a very small percentage of the population. I don't know if many of the PLAN's Naval Aviators are women, there are several in the USN, and I'm rather certain that some of those are among the best, but that is by no means a large percentage, but I will say that there are probably more men who are poor pilots than women, simply because of politics..

Women are far more analytical when it comes to "risk management", guys on the other hand, are much more willing to accept a measure of risk???? just my own observation here....
 
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Jeff Head

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... difficult to avoid mutual interests/intimacy, especially when working together in confined spaces. Being a conservative sailor, I am never in favour of a mix-gender group in a combat ship, or in the field ops for the Army. Air Force. Sorry gals if I sounded chauvinistic - my opinion and I welcome constructive criticisms.
I have my own thoughts on this, and they are similar.

Can some women perform in combat conditions? Yes, of course.

Is having mixed-gender crews, squads, etc advisable? IMHO, no.

Human nature is what it is. People who are expected to be in combat absolutely have to be focused. Absolutely have to not have any "romance," or potential for "romance," within their ranks...or any of the myriad of things that go with it. It is destructive to group cohesion and ultimately will led to the comrpomise of the mission at some level. That is dangerous to the people in thiose groups...and to the intersts of the nation.

Nuff said.

Women can and should serve.

Clearly, even in tradtional non-combat roles, they are goiong to be called on, on occassion to fight. The enemy can get into those non-combat areas...and have done so throughout history. When they do, anyone filling those roles and jobs, whether they be logistical, administrative, maintenance...whatever, have to be able to pick up a gun and fight. But for those roles, that remains an uncommon occurance.

IMHO, this applies to the PLAM and the Liaoning, just like it would anywhere else. There may be mitigating culutral influences...but in the end, human nature is what it is and the genders are wired accrodingly.

Just my two cents.
 

delft

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RN is inducting the first female officers in one of its submarines. That is more extreme than to have them serving in a surface warship.
 
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