PLAN Aircraft Carrier programme...(Closed)

Here are a few more photos from F Y J S threads having to do with Chinese EMALS. Some of these might not be new.

The last one could be Chinese, as it doesn't resemble any American EMALS photos on the web.

By the way, why does sinodefence blank out F Y J S with '****'?





Edit note: removed a photo which turned out to have nothing to do with EMALS.

Thanks for posting.

by78 said:

By the way, why does sinodefence blank out F Y J S with '****'?

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We've previously been hit with malware from that site..

by78 said:

Here are a few more photos from F Y J S threads having to do with Chinese EMALS. Some of these might not be new.

The last one could be Chinese, as it doesn't resemble any American EMALS photos on the web.

By the way, why does sinodefence blank out F Y J S with '****'?

Edit note: removed a photo which turned out to have nothing to do with EMALS.

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The second picture shows an electric rail, but I'm not sure it's related to EMALS.

Jeff Head said:

Working for me. Here ya go:

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Among others of individuals.

My translation produced this:



Lots of good stuff in there.

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Surprisingly accurate translation (but can only speak to most of the non technical terms).

latenlazy said:

The second picture shows an electric rail, but I'm not sure it's related to EMALS.



Surprisingly accurate translation (but can only speak to most of the non technical terms).

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So are we calling it? The article is credible?

In that case, then the EMALS might be a bit further along then we thought, and that the PLAN indeed might have turned their nose up at pursuing steam catapults. It also confirms some things about the advanced development stage of IEPS which we already knew.

I wonder, when/if PLAN finally does reveal EMALS, if people will call copy/espionage/etc :/

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A shame the article doesn't say anything about the mysterious test site. I'm still not sure either way if it is or isn't a catapult test facility, and I don't remember if previous claims of it being a rocket sled facility were supported with evidence.

Bltizo said:

So are we calling it? The article is credible?

In that case, then the EMALS might be a bit further along then we thought, and that the PLAN indeed might have turned their nose up at pursuing steam catapults. It also confirms some things about the advanced development stage of IEPS which we already knew.

I wonder, when/if PLAN finally does reveal EMALS, if people will call copy/espionage/etc :/

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A shame the article doesn't say anything about the mysterious test site. I'm still not sure either way if it is or isn't a catapult test facility, and I don't remember if previous claims of it being a rocket sled facility were supported with evidence.

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Not sure if we're calling it, but the article tries to do a lot to bolster the credibility of the source of the claim (Mr. Ma Weiming).

I think the most specific things we can take away from this article are that 1) China built a proof of concept in 2008 and followed up with a full scale soon after, 2) in 2010 China finalized a design and might be moving on to test launches soon, 3) China tried to build their own steam catapult and found the technology too complex (this bit sounds familiar, pretty sure it's an old story).

Personally, I was a bit more bullish about EMALS than what I think was the predominant opinion on this forum, so I'm not that surprised. The bigger question is when they begin to test launch aircraft how long that might take, and whether they will encounter any problems along the way. I suspect that if this article is accurate and we begin hearing news of test launches in the next year or two, we might have to entertain the possibility that the next carrier will have a catapult, assuming that they have aircraft which are designed for it.

Bltizo said:

So are we calling it? The article is credible?

In that case, then the EMALS might be a bit further along then we thought, and that the PLAN indeed might have turned their nose up at pursuing steam catapults. It also confirms some things about the advanced development stage of IEPS which we already knew.

I wonder, when/if PLAN finally does reveal EMALS, if people will call copy/espionage/etc :/

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A shame the article doesn't say anything about the mysterious test site. I'm still not sure either way if it is or isn't a catapult test facility, and I don't remember if previous claims of it being a rocket sled facility were supported with evidence.

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You should know too well that, even if that's a 100% Chinese effort, the Western media will still branded it as such.

Also I still remember that the site's satellite image first came up a few years ago but back then it was debunked as it was a US' site, not China's...so in this episode, I'd wait till somebody can come up with coordinates that can be verify on Google Map at least, and on top of that CCTV runs a news special that shows the EMALS in action.

Still, I'd wonder if this is in fact a ship-bound model, or just a R&D milestone?

latenlazy said:

Not sure if we're calling it, but the article tries to do a lot to bolster the credibility of the source of the claim (Mr. Ma Weiming).

I think the most specific things we can take away from this article are that 1) China built a proof of concept in 2008 and followed up with a full scale soon after, 2) in 2010 China finalized a design and might be moving on to test launches soon, 3) China tried to build their own steam catapult and found the technology to complex (this bit sounds familiar, pretty sure it's an old story).

Personally, I was a bit more bullish about EMALS than what I think was the predominant opinion on this forum, so I'm not that surprised. The bigger question is when they begin to test launch aircraft how long that might take, and whether they will encounter any problems along the way. I suspect that if this article is accurate and we begin hearing news of test launches in the next year or two, we might have to entertain the possibility that the next carrier will have a catapult, assuming that they have aircraft which are designed for it.

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Personally, I find the 2008 and 2010 prototype part most eyebrow raising. If a design was finalized, and supposing they'd built and tested the prototypes without aircraft since then (possibly at the shanghai site, if it is indeed catapult related?), I suppose it won't be too out there for test launches with aircraft to begin soon.

Unfortunately we'll have our work cut out to identify such a test site from satellites (hopefully they'll renovate an existing air base for the test flights, and then probably rebuild the exsting PLANAF STOBAR site or build a new CATOBAR site for more institutionalized aircraft tests). But we might be able to confirm a minimum test launch window, when/if we see an aircraft with a catapult hold back bar.



If EMALS really is this much further than we thought, then we may very well see a CATOBAR carrier sooner than later. I think there were mutterings a few weeks ago that we could expect a carrier from both DL and JNCX. Maybe DL is building a safer STOBAR option while JNCX builds the more complex EM CATOBAR ship? It would certainly be a nice compromise and consistent with PLAN's cautious dual track procurement strategy of last decade.

MwRYum said:

You should know too well that, even if that's a 100% Chinese effort, the Western media will still branded it as such.

Also I still remember that the site's satellite image first came up a few years ago but back then it was debunked as it was a US' site, not China's...so in this episode, I'd wait till somebody can come up with coordinates that can be verify on Google Map at least, and on top of that CCTV runs a news special that shows the EMALS in action.

Still, I'd wonder if this is in fact a ship-bound model, or just a R&D milestone?

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The question is whether it is catapult related or not, some people said it was a rocket sled site.


And the article says quite clearly that it is an electro magnetic catapult for a carrier, with a design finalized, so it doesn't sound like a mere "technical" achievement with little to no practical application.

bd popeye said:

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We've previously been hit with malware from that site..

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Thank you.

Bltizo said:

Personally, I find the 2008 and 2010 prototype part most eyebrow raising. If a design was finalized, and supposing they'd built and tested the prototypes without aircraft since then (possibly at the shanghai site, if it is indeed catapult related?), I suppose it won't be too out there for test launches with aircraft to begin soon.

Unfortunately we'll have our work cut out to identify such a test site from satellites (hopefully they'll renovate an existing air base for the test flights, and then probably rebuild the exsting PLANAF STOBAR site or build a new CATOBAR site for more institutionalized aircraft tests). But we might be able to confirm a minimum test launch window, when/if we see an aircraft with a catapult hold back bar.

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If only China were a smaller country . It's possible, maybe even probable, that if the image above isn't the site where they're testing their EMALS the proof of concept and full scale were indoor models, and they've either yet to construct an outdoor facility for testing aircraft, or are/have just finished one. The problem for us is that there are A LOT of places they could build such a facility to perform the testing, and we probably won't see one built at the Naval Training site until well after the technology is ready for installation on a carrier. As you mentioned, getting coordinates on that picture would be very helpful, if it is indeed Chinese.

If EMALS really is this much further than we thought, then we may very well see a CATOBAR carrier sooner than later. I think there were mutterings a few weeks ago that we could expect a carrier from both DL and JNCX. Maybe DL is building a safer STOBAR option while JNCX builds the more complex EM CATOBAR ship? It would certainly be a nice compromise and consistent with PLAN's cautious dual track procurement strategy of last decade.

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That was my theory when we heard about both DL and JNCX. Thankfully unlike with an EMALS facility we can confirm that rumour within the next few years, since you can't hide the construction of a carrier.

MwRYum said:

You should know too well that, even if that's a 100% Chinese effort, the Western media will still branded it as such.

Also I still remember that the site's satellite image first came up a few years ago but back then it was debunked as it was a US' site, not China's...so in this episode, I'd wait till somebody can come up with coordinates that can be verify on Google Map at least, and on top of that CCTV runs a news special that shows the EMALS in action.

Still, I'd wonder if this is in fact a ship-bound model, or just a R&D milestone?

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Are you saying that we'll believe it when CCTV does a special programme, or that CCTV has already done a special programme?