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so what is that modular construction? makes sense but i would have thought just maybe China would build its carrier by one sole shipyard but thats just my feeling
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so what is that modular construction? makes sense but i would have thought just maybe China would build its carrier by one sole shipyard but thats just my feeling
Since Liaoning Radar is so tall, can it install a SAM system have > range than S400?
The PARs on Liaoning is so damn tall, it must able to scan the signals a lot further than any truck based S400 SAM system from Russia.
In fact I think , PAR of Liaoning can scan up to 600 to 700KM. If the ship sits at water in China, it can extend the radar coverage all the way to first island Chain, definitely can cover Dayutai or Chunxiao oil field.
Then the SAM can be modified to have multiple staged and longer range.
*)Since China surrounded with opponents with superior air based anti-sub hunters, then a very long range SAM system can knock down those air based anti-sub hunters or early warning planes.
*)Chinese subs would have better chance if air hunters are gone.
I think Liaoning's radar system is tall and can have more power than the truck based S400 system , I can see Liaoning or carrier also become a Super SAM system to provide air coverage all the way to first island chain just by sitting at home port, no risk whatsoever.
Since it's sitting at home port it can have all the additional power juice it needed to crank up the PAR to the Max.
China's Zhejiang province is most extended into the East Sea, by putting Liaoning in port there like Ma'an island can provide the furtherest coverage.
The PARs on Liaoning is so damn tall, it must able to scan the signals a lot further than any truck based S400 SAM system from Russia.
In fact I think , PAR of Liaoning can scan up to 600 to 700KM. If the ship sits at water in China, it can extend the radar coverage all the way to first island Chain, definitely can cover Dayutai or Chunxiao oil field.
Then the SAM can be modified to have multiple staged and longer range.
*)Since China surrounded with opponents with superior air based anti-sub hunters, then a very long range SAM system can knock down those air based anti-sub hunters or early warning planes.
*)Chinese subs would have better chance if air hunters are gone.
I think Liaoning's radar system is tall and can have more power than the truck based S400 system , I can see Liaoning or carrier also become a Super SAM system to provide air coverage all the way to first island chain just by sitting at home port, no risk whatsoever.
Since it's sitting at home port it can have all the additional power juice it needed to crank up the PAR to the Max.
China's Zhejiang province is most extended into the East Sea, by putting Liaoning in port there like Ma'an island can provide the furtherest coverage.
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andyhugfan
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Re: Since Liaoning Radar is so tall, can it install a SAM system have > range than S4
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Re: Since Liaoning Radar is so tall, can it install a SAM system have > range than S4
Potatoes are OK if they still obey the Law of Physics.
What I suggest definitely not out of law of physics.
Why do you think it's crazy? You got to back up with some meat and potatoes.
5char
Potatoes are OK if they still obey the Law of Physics.
What I suggest definitely not out of law of physics.
Why do you think it's crazy? You got to back up with some meat and potatoes.
Re: Since Liaoning Radar is so tall, can it install a SAM system have > range than S4
2nd. The Liaoning is an aircraft carrier. That is its purpose, to carry strike fighters, in as large a number as possible to wherever the PRC feels they need to go to protect the PRC's interests. As such, it is not meant to be, and has no need of being a SAM arsenal ship. It would be a collosal waste of resource that was invested in the aircraft carrier. It is armed with very suffificent self defense weaponry in the form of the threeType 1130 CIWS, and the four 18 missile FN-3000L missile launchers.
I am sure that the PRC has the ability to establish defense centers on the ground with as powerful, if not more powerful radars and capabilities as exist on the Liaoning.
The S400 is a system that is meant to be taken into the field by the military, or set up at points to be defended. Those missiles can be driven either by the road-capable radars they military carries with it, or stronger radars the PRC could set up on land without having to use an aircraft carrier hull to do so.
In essence, with the Type 052D destroyers, and the potetnial for a Type 055 Cruiser at some point, you will have at sea, mobile anti-aircraft systems capable of protecting high-value vessels like the Liaoning at much greater distances. The Type 052C already fills this role. These others just extend it.
1st. There is a thread entitled "PLAN Aircraft Carrier programme..News & Views," which id all about the PLAN Carrier. I would suggest you consider putting this question about the Liaoning...the PLAN carrier...in there.
2nd. The Liaoning is an aircraft carrier. That is its purpose, to carry strike fighters, in as large a number as possible to wherever the PRC feels they need to go to protect the PRC's interests. As such, it is not meant to be, and has no need of being a SAM arsenal ship. It would be a collosal waste of resource that was invested in the aircraft carrier. It is armed with very suffificent self defense weaponry in the form of the threeType 1130 CIWS, and the four 18 missile FN-3000L missile launchers.
I am sure that the PRC has the ability to establish defense centers on the ground with as powerful, if not more powerful radars and capabilities as exist on the Liaoning.
The S400 is a system that is meant to be taken into the field by the military, or set up at points to be defended. Those missiles can be driven either by the road-capable radars they military carries with it, or stronger radars the PRC could set up on land without having to use an aircraft carrier hull to do so.
In essence, with the Type 052D destroyers, and the potetnial for a Type 055 Cruiser at some point, you will have at sea, mobile anti-aircraft systems capable of protecting high-value vessels like the Liaoning at much greater distances. The Type 052C already fills this role. These others just extend it.
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Re: Since Liaoning Radar is so tall, can it install a SAM system have > range than S4
I think height is very important, that's you see newer type of destroyer has very tall mask with radar on top of them.
If the carrier implement that tall mask then the range would be even greater due to carrier's base is much taller than destroyer's.
The PARs on Carrier are at very tall position, therefore allow it to have great range.
SAM system allows one to have an area of denial, and I think the carrier can have dual role of fighters carrier as well as a giant SAM system for area coverage.
I think height is very important, that's you see newer type of destroyer has very tall mask with radar on top of them.
If the carrier implement that tall mask then the range would be even greater due to carrier's base is much taller than destroyer's.
The PARs on Carrier are at very tall position, therefore allow it to have great range.
SAM system allows one to have an area of denial, and I think the carrier can have dual role of fighters carrier as well as a giant SAM system for area coverage.
Hendrik_2000
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Read my lips, J15 is now in LRIP stage. In case you don't know what LRIP is, It stand for Low rate initial production Capici
J15 has passed the test with flying color for all the world to see .Only people in denial will say otherwise. It is not a few Last count there are 12 of them
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SAC is fine, just like the Raptor experts, who don't know sqat, the "experts" are trying to read the tea leaves, what they don't realize is that they are coffee grounds, the J-15 is outstanding or it would NOT have appeared on the Liaoning....... trust me! and back off the J-15, shes earning her keep unlike some of the X birds. brat
Blackstone
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The Soviets tried mixed aircraft and missile Battlecruisers and it didn't do either role especially well. PLAN is better off using the Liaoning as a dedicated aircraft carrier, because there are plenty of well-armed PLAN ships and boats that can fling missiles, but no other ship in its current inventory can carry strike fighters. It's called comparative advantage.
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