PLAN Aircraft Carrier programme...(Closed)

Engineer said:

If I remember correctly, the canard pretty much overlaps with the main wing from the point-of-view of the pilot. Regardless, the canard is not positioned directly to the sides of the pilot, so visibility during approach and landing is a non-issue.

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Of course the canard adds to the total lift created by the main wing and does in fact figure into the wing area of the aircraft, one of the many efficiencies of the rear main wing with canard control for pitch, as it adds lift is also creates vortices, which wash over the main wing and create additional lift aannnnnd, DRAG, but whatever, it has adherants, it is obviously a fine system, and the recent RED FLAG, where the Typhoons met the Raptors was very instructive for everybody, and everybody went away impressed with the other guys toys.

Now the conventional configuration with the Central main wing and aft mounted horizontal stabs also has its efficiencies, but it does NOT add to the overall lift of the aircraft, IMHO the FCS is much simpler, but that is my mark I analog data systems analysis, your digital kids may have a different take. brat

Lion said:

With CV-16 so many days out at sea. I doubt they never carry out a single night landing/ take off test.

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Yeah but it's important that we see it too.

no_name said:

Yeah but it's important that we see it too.

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Probably xinhui news think night ops is not beautiful for PR. You can't see the full deck crew donning the deck. We know news of few PLAN pilots passing their test and attain full qualification for landing ops and taking off. I doubt that cert only qualifies only day landing. Obviously passing that test will attain a full pledge carrier fighter pilot. Landing and taking off , day or night.

no_name said:

Noise on cjdby suggests that take-off/landing with weapons and night landing may happen soon.

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noise there also says that 601 institute messed up something major on J-15 and that the next generation naval jet contract is going to be awarded to CAC. We'll see if any of this happens.

tphuang said:

noise there also says that 601 institute messed up something major on J-15 and that the next generation naval jet contract is going to be awarded to CAC. We'll see if any of this happens. .

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Interesting. This would also explain the relaitvely low number of J-15s we have seen introduced and built up over the last few years.

Lion said:

Probably xinhui news think night ops is not beautiful for PR. You can't see the full deck crew donning the deck. We know news of few PLAN pilots passing their test and attain full qualification for landing ops and taking off. I doubt that cert only qualifies only day landing. Obviously passing that test will attain a full pledge carrier fighter pilot. Landing and taking off , day or night.

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That is not a safe assumption. If I were betting, I believe that they were qualified for their initial day-light landing and take-off.

There will be more advanced qualifications for adverse weather and for night time operations. Both of those are orders of magnitude more difficult and require much more training, and much more experience at landing and take-off before they are attempted.

tphuang said:

noise there also says that 601 institute messed up something major on J-15 and that the next generation naval jet contract is going to be awarded to CAC. We'll see if any of this happens.

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That is big news if true. Will it mean we won't get to the see the J-31 adopted by the PLAN?

CAC still hasn't revealed what the next gen. naval get design is going to look like.

Any hint What could they have messed up major that makes it ok for the J-15 to train for ordnance and night take-off/landing but not for actual service?

Seems like all the sign points to SAC incompetence compared to CAC. Could also explain why the J-15 lead designer was under high stress when the plane was conducting landing on Liaoning.

no_name said:

Any hint What could they have messed up major that makes it ok for the J-15 to train for ordnance and night take-off/landing but not for actual service?

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May bee, it has a short mean time between failure. And they have no other choice then to learn with it carrier operation due to the lack of alternatives.

tphuang said:

noise there also says that 601 institute messed up something major on J-15 and that the next generation naval jet contract is going to be awarded to CAC. We'll see if any of this happens.

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It is nothing but BS.You admonish people not to post BS but you yourself post BS what a shame.If this is major failure they will ground the fleet No flight whatsoever.

We don't see such drastic measure. They will not proceed with LRIP if this is true. So the usual BS chatter .But you like it since it fit your dislike and prejudice of Shenyang
No amount of prestige worth the life of a pilot even for China

This forum is going the drain with people pushing their own agenda and prejudice

Hendrik_2000 said:

It is nothing but BS.You admonish people not to post BS but you yourself post BS what a shame.If this is major failure they will ground the fleet No flight whatsoever.

We don't see such drastic measure. They will not proceed with LRIP if this is true. So the usual BS chatter .But you like it since it fit your dislike of Shenyang.

this forum is going the drain with people pushing their own agenda and prejudice

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I disagree with your comments. The major mishaps may have nothing to do with workmanship of the J-15. Feng is not known for blowing smoke up people's yin yang, so holster your guns till more facts come out.

Blackstone said:

I disagree with your comments. The major mishaps may have nothing to do with workmanship of the J-15. Feng is not known for blowing smoke up people's yin yang, so holster your guns till more facts come out.

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He has been bad mouthing Shenyang for years.The success of J15 automaticaly invalidate all those chatter. What did he know about Aerospace and engineering in general? all his information is from Chinese forum that is full of crap.

You are not buying Merc you build tool of war. Workmanship doesn't even enter into the picture