PLAN Aircraft Carrier programme...(Closed)

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plawolf

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AssassinsMace said:
Beds, buffet, a show, laundry service, and a bar... looks like a casino to me.
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Not when there are no slot machines or card tables. What you described is more akin to a hotel, but since this one sails around, a cruise ship might be most accurate? ;)
 
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kwaigonegin said:
I don't know about the living quarters but below is the bridge of the Admiral Kuznetsov.
I'm going to hazard a guess and assume Lianing's bridge is a tad nicer looking and more modern.
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kwaigonegin

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plawolf said:
Not when there are no slot machines or card tables. What you described is more akin to a hotel, but since this one sails around, a cruise ship might be most accurate? ;)
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Actually I think he said casino on purpose.. hint.. remember 'floating casino'... maybe she will berth in Macau next.

Also why are there bouquet of flowers on top of the laundry machines? Is PLAN trying to outdo the US Navy in the feminization of her Navy?
 
MwRYum

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SteelBird said:
Feeling strange, since the Liaoning is in operation, I don't believe PLAN doesn't have plan for its second carrier. Why we don't see anything except those fanboy's dreaming CG? They should have known the Liaoning inside-out and capable to build a second one without any problem. Or just want to build something different?
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There're 2 schools of argument on this one: one is to make a duplicate of the Liaoning right away; the other is to wait for more feedbacks from operating the Liaoning, and then incorporate those design changes on this 2nd carrier / 1st indigenous carrier. Since there's no solid proof that the construction of the 1st indigenous carrier has begun, plus Liaoning still haven't receive its full air-wing, I'd say the 2nd argument is more solid.

Thing is, most still agreed that the 1st indigenous carrier won't look too different from Liaoning because there's simply no proof that China has developed a working model of steam / EM catapult, nor any J-15 sported necessary modification for such, but most importantly there's no land-based sample at the training base. That said, the 1st indigenous carrier will still be ski-jump variant, but perhaps with some design modification inspired from European / American origin, like the case of 052C/D and 054A.
 
plawolf

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MwRYum said:
There're 2 schools of argument on this one: one is to make a duplicate of the Liaoning right away; the other is to wait for more feedbacks from operating the Liaoning, and then incorporate those design changes on this 2nd carrier / 1st indigenous carrier. Since there's no solid proof that the construction of the 1st indigenous carrier has begun, plus Liaoning still haven't receive its full air-wing, I'd say the 2nd argument is more solid.

Thing is, most still agreed that the 1st indigenous carrier won't look too different from Liaoning because there's simply no proof that China has developed a working model of steam / EM catapult, nor any J-15 sported necessary modification for such, but most importantly there's no land-based sample at the training base. That said, the 1st indigenous carrier will still be ski-jump variant, but perhaps with some design modification inspired from European / American origin, like the case of 052C/D and 054A.
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I seriously doubt that the first indigenous Chinese carrier, even if built tomorrow, would be all that similar to the Liaoning. I think you will find that most of the people advocating that the first Chinese indigenous carrier will be a copy of the Liaonjng tend to be the same people who argue China copies everything and cannot innovate in the slightest.

Even if work has already started on an indigenous carrier, I would expect it to look far more like the QEII than the Liaoning.

If you think about it, there is precious little that the worth copying about the Vayarg/Liaoning design, and there are plenty of evidence that the Chinese engineers have been hamstrung by the limitations of the old Varyag, and that the PLAN tried copying how the Russians did things on their Kutz, and ultimately rejected it in favour of going their own route based more off of American carrier ops.

Beyond a similar tonnage, maybe the same propolsion and having a ski jump, I cannot see what else an indigenous Chinese carrier would have in common with the Varyag.

At the very least, I would expect a far smaller island structure, a much bigger hanger, more sensible located weapons elevators, maybe a third aircraft elevator on the starboard side, and hopefully a longer runway and/or slighter bigger angle offset for the angled deck so they can use both forward launch positions while recovery ops are on-going.
 
kwaigonegin

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plawolf said:
I seriously doubt that the first indigenous Chinese carrier, even if built tomorrow, would be all that similar to the Liaoning. I think you will find that most of the people advocating that the first Chinese indigenous carrier will be a copy of the Liaonjng tend to be the same people who argue China copies everything and cannot innovate in the slightest.

Even if work has already started on an indigenous carrier, I would expect it to look far more like the QEII than the Liaoning.

If you think about it, there is precious little that the worth copying about the Vayarg/Liaoning design, and there are plenty of evidence that the Chinese engineers have been hamstrung by the limitations of the old Varyag, and that the PLAN tried copying how the Russians did things on their Kutz, and ultimately rejected it in favour of going their own route based more off of American carrier ops.

Beyond a similar tonnage, maybe the same propolsion and having a ski jump, I cannot see what else an indigenous Chinese carrier would have in common with the Varyag.

At the very least, I would expect a far smaller island structure, a much bigger hanger, more sensible located weapons elevators, maybe a third aircraft elevator on the starboard side, and hopefully a longer runway and/or slighter bigger angle offset for the angled deck so they can use both forward launch positions while recovery ops are on-going.
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I don't know if the first steel has been cut for PLAN's indigenous carrier but I'm 99.9% sure the majority of the general design and layout phase is all but completed so in that sense as far as to what it will look like we're already there.
Anyone in china wants to sneak into PLAN headquarters and take a few photos of the blueprints? At worst you get a free cup of tea. ;)
 
FarkTypeSoldier

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volleyballer said:
Also, I just noticed that the chairs are wheeled! Is this on land??
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kwaigonegin said:
I don't know if the first steel has been cut for PLAN's indigenous carrier but I'm 99.9% sure the majority of the general design and layout phase is all but completed so in that sense as far as to what it will look like we're already there.
Anyone in china wants to sneak into PLAN headquarters and take a few photos of the blueprints? At worst you get a free cup of tea. ;)
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Or even worst, got a "permanent pass" to stay in China to follow its military development - in jail... wah ha ha
 
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FarkTypeSoldier said:
Or even worst, got a "permanent pass" to stay in China to follow its military development - in jail... wah ha ha
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Going into CCP/PLA HQ trying to get blueprint will not just have a cup of tea a d permanent stag in China. It means biting the bullet. That's mount to the offence of treason.
 
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