PLA Strategy in a Taiwan Contingency

9dashline

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yesterday I heard a political commentator who described the stages of Beijing's engagements with the Taipei authority.
1, engaged in Peaceful Reunification talks under Deng-->engaged in PR talks under Hu-->engage in PR talks under Xi, no change as far as peaceful negotiations are concerned.

2, built up military from scratch under Deng-->prepared for military action if push came to shove under Hu--> prepare for action when the right opportunity presents itself under Xi, reflecting the reality of tremendous / significant progress of military buildup over the last 2- 3 decades or so.

3, Armed Reunification was an almost totally unrealistic bottom-line strategy if PR failed under Deng-->AR was a not-quite-realistic option if TW declared independence under Hu--> AR is a viable (and maybe the only) option if TW wants to play hardball under Xi, reflecting the overall advantage in the comprehensive strength of Beijing vis-a vis Taipei.

To summarize the situation under Xi at present time: engage in peace talks (for the global audience), but prepare to fight (show resolve to the Americans), and do not procrastinate AR anymore (for Mainland public opinion and demand).
Right after elections Chatgpt5 releases and maybe that will force China to do rug pull including AR

We finna go from "the more you buy, the more you save" to "the gpu you currently have is the gpu you will ever get to use"
 
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Santamaria

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To be honest, a train toward peaceful reconciliation already passed a long time ago. You have entire new generations thinking they are living in a totally separate country like Spain or Italy, as opposed to being inside of a Chinese province and having Chinese historic roots.

Those older generations are also dying, they are those KMT voters. The case for your argument will only get worse as time passes by.

You have dozens of surveys/polls/research done on this exact topic, and they all show the same things against "time working for China".

Let's be realistic here, there is absolutely no chance no matter what China does, even if they all become as rich as those oil sheiks in Dubai, for Taiwan to suddenly wake up one day and come back peacefully, there certainly needs to be a kinetic shock therapy of some extent first.

Or if the US collapsed, and with that, their media-brainwashing hard power over Taiwan, only then I see Taiwan returning peacefully to them.
There is only one caveat. Surverys/polls/research are always tremendously manipulated, as was stated by Chomsky in "Manufacturing consent".
Many times they use manipulative impossible questions and select particular subgroups of the society to get the desire results

I think in Serbia not so long ago they did a poll that they used to prove that 50% of Serbs supported Kosovo independence, and the question in the poll was something like "Do you agree with recognizing Kosovo if that means that Serbia does not loose any territory?"

So, we do not really know what Taiwanese think or feel. I don't think they consider so separate from China, since many engineers move to work in the mainland.

But it does not matter, because only thing the US need is to place the ones that are hawkish like DPP in all power positions. In Taiwan there are a full class of unuseful people that went to study MBAs and PhDs in politics to anglosaxon universities, those are totally in line with the anglosaxon thought
What people think or wants means basically 0 in any country, and less of all in the "liberal democracies" (that are absolutely not democracies)
Political, military, judicial and economic elites take decisions.
 

Index

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yesterday I heard a political commentator who described the stages of Beijing's engagements with the Taipei authority.
1, engaged in Peaceful Reunification talks under Deng-->engaged in PR talks under Hu-->engage in PR talks under Xi, no change as far as peaceful negotiations are concerned.

2, built up military from scratch under Deng-->prepared for military action if push came to shove under Hu--> prepare for action when the right opportunity presents itself under Xi, reflecting the reality of tremendous / significant progress of military buildup over the last 2- 3 decades or so.

3, Armed Reunification was an almost totally unrealistic bottom-line strategy if PR failed under Deng-->AR was a not-quite-realistic option if TW declared independence under Hu--> AR is a viable (and maybe the only) option if TW wants to play hardball under Xi, reflecting the overall advantage in the comprehensive strength of Beijing vis-a vis Taipei.

To summarize the situation under Xi at present time: engage in peace talks (for the global audience), but prepare to fight (show resolve to the Americans), and do not procrastinate AR anymore (for Mainland public opinion and demand).
I think peaceful negotiation has been a long term cover in order to safeguard as many civilians as possible.

The KMT used to be very much open about using the Chinese on the island as human shields - they were banned from leaving the province. This has been repealed since many years, and now, millions can and will more or less self evacuate.

Thanks to the mainland's peaceful integration strategy, projected collateral damage in the event China needs to move out to defend Taiwan has never been so low as today, making the issue much much more palatable to the people.
 

Minm

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Think about how attitudes in Western Europe towards Eastern Europe are sometimes really outdated.
Exactly, the generation that is growing up with tik tok and WeChat, byd and Huawei and the Chinese manned moon programme will look at China with respect and many will want to be part of that greater entity. Today, you can be proud to be Chinese in a way you couldn't be even only 10 years ago

People in their 30s and older have formed their opinions in a different age. Their mindset is largely set and we'll have to wait for them to die off.
 

AndrewS

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Exactly, the generation that is growing up with tik tok and WeChat, byd and Huawei and the Chinese manned moon programme will look at China with respect and many will want to be part of that greater entity. Today, you can be proud to be Chinese in a way you couldn't be even only 10 years ago

People in their 30s and older have formed their opinions in a different age. Their mindset is largely set and we'll have to wait for them to die off.

I think the 30s are still young enough, so I'd put the cutoff to people over 40.

But yes, experiences of China in 2020 were very different to today.

But even then, you could see how China was embarking on the same path of the other East Asian Tiger economies like Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong and Singapore.

NB. Japan and South Korea were once renowned for their cheap low-quality knockoffs.
 
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azn_cyniq

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Exactly, the generation that is growing up with tik tok and WeChat, byd and Huawei and the Chinese manned moon programme will look at China with respect and many will want to be part of that greater entity. Today, you can be proud to be Chinese in a way you couldn't be even only 10 years ago

People in their 30s and older have formed their opinions in a different age. Their mindset is largely set and we'll have to wait for them to die off.
Taiwan was actually the first place outside of mainland China where Douyin (TikTok) became popular. My Taiwanese friends told me about it back in 2017, but back then I had no idea what it was. I visited Taiwan last winter and noticed that my car enthusiast friends, who used to worship Japanese cars, were obsessed with BYD. I'm not saying that young Taiwanese people love the CPC, but attitudes are changing pretty fast. Taiwan is almost certainly the largest source of Wumaos outside of mainland China haha
 

tygyg1111

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Taiwan was actually the first place outside of mainland China where Douyin (TikTok) became popular. My Taiwanese friends told me about it back in 2017, but back then I had no idea what it was. I visited Taiwan last winter and noticed that my car enthusiast friends, who used to worship Japanese cars, were obsessed with BYD. I'm not saying that young Taiwanese people love the CPC, but attitudes are changing pretty fast. Taiwan is almost certainly the largest source of Wumaos outside of mainland China haha
Plenty of 华裔 in Australia (and I presume in similar overseas territories), plus a reasonable amount of locals are keen on BYD as well. Seal performance is a welcome change to Tesla, whereas Polestar, Hyundai and other lesser known EVs don't generate as much interest.
 

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Is CCP reading this thread?:p:eek:

On a serious note, I am going to continue to argue why peaceful unification makes no sense.

1. It requires a very large portion of population support imminent unification. This wont happen in 20 years, even with a wealthier China per capita.

2. It requires the said population agitated enough to pressure government to submit, through demonstration, violence, etc. Just support is not enough, they must want to risk life, not wait for mainland do the job.

3. Requires the island government failing to stop the mobs, and submit to it.

Do you seriously see the above 3 happening in 20 years? Peaceful unification is a cope, and highly unrealistic one. It is only useful as a cope for government to quell public sentiment for nation building. It cant be an actual plan to success.

In my view the most optimistic view of 'peaceful unification' is an military operation that is so succesful the government decide fighting is pointless. It is peaceful in the sense very few soldier died, and the population is submissive enough to not riot. Make no mistake a peaceful unification is still technically a armed reunification in ideal circumstances.
 
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Index

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Is CCP reading this thread?:p:eek:

On a serious note, I am going to continue to argue why peaceful unification makes no sense.

1. It requires a very large portion of population support imminent unification. This wont happen in 20 years, even with a wealthier China per capita.

2. It requires the said population agitated enough to pressure government to submit, through denonstration, violence, etc. Just support is not enough, they must want to risk life, not wait for mainland do the job.

3. Requires the island government failing to stop the mobs, and submit to it.

Do you seriously see the above 3 happening in 20 years? Peaceful unification is a cope, and highly unrealistic one. It is only useful as a cope for government to quell public sentiment for nation building. It cant be an actual plan to success.

In my view the most optimistic view of 'peaceful unification' is an military operation that is so succesful the government decide fighting is pointless. It is peaceful in the sense very few soldier died, and the population is submissive enough to not riot. Make no mistake a peaceful unification is still technically a armed reunification in ideal circumstances.
China probably never genuinely would legally 100% exonerate KMT remnants, especially not ones that have taken illegal foreign money. So that part of peacefully negotiating is a lie.

But keeping up a ceasefire and the pretense of talks helps immensely at removing the KMT's human shields. Because the situation is so calm, they can't lock down their owned territories without being in a constant rioting state. They have no choice but to open up to the mainland and let people choose.

So the purpose of talks isn't to talk the enemy into surrendering, it's to buy time for ordinary Chinese to evacuate and also give time for Beijing to infiltrate.

When you're facing terrorists who took hostages, you don't tell them "we will kill you all" and then go in guns blazing. You keep telling them "let's talk, we're both not in a hurry to die, what would you guys want?" "oh we can't give you your terms, but we can give you some trade deals and then let's talk again an hour later?".

And then when enough hostages have been saved and there's enough spec ops infiltrated in the building, you massacre them before they realize.
 
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