First you get within 1km, then you accidentally land 1 or 2 coast guard officers, then you land some units, next thing you know PLA is touring the island while the US special forces units are watching them patrolling the road lol
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CCG video this week also showed them escorting a fishing ship:
Guo Zhengliang seems to think if this issue is not resolved by early March then once the main fishing season resumes we will see a lot of Xiamen fishing ships around Kinmen protected by CCG and ignoring ROCCGA. I looked up the 2023 fishing ban and it seems to go from first of May till Auguest-September, depending on the type of commercial fishing. As far as I can tell commercial fishing is currently not banned at Xiamen but maybe there's some seasonal elements to it.
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That may be but your logic is wrong. Nothing backs you up because evidence that coast guards attack each other is not evidence that coast guards don't attack the navies of other countries.
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2 Filipino Naval supply ships, one rammed, 1 water gunned. Coast guard ship also water gunned.
If you don't take drugs, maybe you need to, prescription only! You can settle down and learn what an emotion is.
For the 50th time, it is a prelude to a war that China wants to put off into the future.
No, you are confused again; that was a Filipino vessel that was NOT guarded by any US vessels.
Your attempt to debate me is the only drunk man trying to fight Mike Tyson. Your mind can't wrap around the concept of China not wanting a fight until it can win bloodlessly and costlessly. I never said China is weaker; I said it's not in China's interest to escalate when its power is rising and American power is waning relative to each other. And judging by how China handles itself with the US, I'm right.
6 US vessels against 2 Chinese? What? Go reread the paragraph you quoted and bolded. You're responding to things what weren't said because you can't even read and you're trying to debate...
You should delete your account for your own incompetence at reading comprehension; China's done nothing wrong. Preparing to engage the 7th fleet isn't about detecting them; it's about building up for decades preparing for war.
Uh, yeah. The patrol boat is guarding an ROC vessel. They were engaged by Chinese ships. The US vessel attempts to stop the Chinese vessels from boarding and seizing the ROC vessel. It is rammed and damaged in order to prevent it from doing its job forcing it to retreat. The US throws a tantrum; it's not about any patrol boats now; it's about American pride. Next up, Arleigh Burkes and perhaps a Ticonderoga class shows up. Now you've got the choice of ramming them or letting them go. If you let them go, there was no point; you got proven soft. If you attack them, now it's war. It's pretty sad I have to spell this out in such details for you. Most people know if you tussle with someone's ships, unless they're scared of you, it's going to escalate and you better be ready handle the full fight.
Or a person without basic reading comprehension trying to debate me.
Obviously, I'll send the naval ships back to where it started and escalate until they back off or I have proper cause to go to war because they've reached the point of firing real weapons on each otherThat aside, no, coast guard water fight dont lead to war. If you are the president how are you going to sell the war to people? "Our coast guard sailed miles away from China, had an epic water gun fight. We were outnumbered and lost, so we declare war on China"
You're the one asking to be enlightened so it seems you've got your analogies all tangled up again.
I was going off of published media. When I was wrong, published media was wrong; when I was right, it was because public media brought to light that the ROC hid the truth and now it's out. I've no open mind to random crazy ideas and neither does the CCP apparently.
Making sure we're talking about the same incident because in this incident, the US struck Houthi military sites in Yemen, so for this analogy to make sense, you'd be saying that American can strike Chinese military bases and all we'd do is harrass their ships. No go, it's an analogy that's almost as bad as the one treating a grounded naval ship as if it were a sailing one.
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Kinmen Justice Department says clear evidence of ramming, likely judgement is negligent homicide, CGA personals involved likely to face less than 5 years of jail term and civil damage.
I rather doubt mainland government would accept this and settle the matter at this stage, not without someone from DPP doing a public apology.
With or without apology it is unlikely for mainland to give up the gain.
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you called it correctly.
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This video shows the collision. All of the young people and women interviewed in Taiwan said that they crossed the line and should back down, bow their heads to China for their fault in the deaths. They said that their government hid the collision and that Chinese rightfully only wanted the...
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No it is not. You are the one failed reading comprehension. It is civilian boats sending food supply to the stranded naval vessel, one of them with a military officer onboard, hence "navy operated supply ship". It is not a naval vessel.
Name of supply ship 1: Unnaiza Mae 1,
name of supply ship 2: M/L Kalavaan
Both are civilian ships according to links provided. They are about as much a military vessel as a pizza van shipping pizza to military.
Case of reading comprehension failure #2:
Quote me when I said coast guard should start attack navy. Only acceptable scenario is if said naval vessel attack China first, possibly an act of war. In fact, I said the very opposite that naval vessel cannot be attacked, hence the big difference:
I can't see how that is relevant to the discussion. I debate with fact and evidence, you are the one derailing with emotional arguments. Seems to be a case of projection here.
^ Speaking of emotional arguments.
The bolded part is you claiming equal or above. You then talked about sending the 7th fleet in. 6 coast guard boats, 3, don't matter. China better detect them if it is couple miles from their beach.
Speaking of reading failure there is one in your own example. Here you wrote "They can call for support but it's a long time on the high seas before others reach the area." Kinmen is not high sea. If it is outside Kinmen, there is no reason to seize boat, therefore irrelevant example.
Your own reading failure: you based off assumption China will start attacking US navy first.
The correct response of the Chinese Coast Guard depends how you "imagined" US naval vessel attempt to stop China. Gun firing is a no go even you agreed. The only options are ramming and blocking. In case of ramming they initiated the aggression, how their ship is damaged in the process is their fault. Blocking requires multiple ships sailing deeply into Chinese territorial water, which would have alerted PLAN long before it got there.
You asked for link repeatedly, then failed reading comprehension of said link, so I returned your quote back to you. In my case, my "asking to be enlightened" is on "alternative methods" to the 3 listed. You clearly didn't mention a 4th one only replied on the 3 listed. That is reading comprehension failure #4, 5 if you count the recurring one.
If you are as good as Taiwanese media that is not a high bar. Nor were you right at understanding how the government operates. Because the perpetrator is not going free like you claimed. Although in my opinion simply admit ramming is not enough for a severe sentence. We will have to see how it unfolds.
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In my opinion it is the most logical outcome. Taiwan cannot get away with murder and play hardball. The minimal response is to sentence their own officer, but leniently, to save face.
Personally, I think this is not enough for CCP. In my brief time as youth volunteer in the government my experience is they care about domestic opinion a lot. If the higher up is talking about it and it is making news headline, some pretty heavy response is brewing.
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Can the bereaved file a civil case against the CGA and personnels?