This is their attitude in private.
PLA Strategy in a Taiwan Contingency
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FYI KBL in the screenshot is Kuan Bi-ling (管碧玲). This B**ch is a Taiwanese politician and a member of the Democratic Progressive Party. She is the incumbent Minister of Ocean Affairs Council. In her chat message, she said those two fisherman deserve to die, otherwise there will be more Chinese fisherman who get uppity.
I think China should issue a bounty for her.
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Of course coast guard and navy are big differences. Marinetime patrol harass each other all the time with no escalation. Naval vessel on other hand is much more sensitive. Even with weak Philippino naval vessel China tread carefully. It was very funny watching you keep hyping US coast guard until you started mentioning FONOP. Like, US coast guard never do that. They don't command the respect US navy does for it to work.
Now if you are actually talking about US navy this entire time, it is theoritically possible but even less likely to happen. Sending naval vessel into uncontested water is too much provocation. US made pretty clear they got their hands full and want to deescalate things. And in the end, it don't even matter because it is not American boat being seized. The best they can say is "yeah, we were ballsy and sailed into CCP's doorstep", but cant stop China bullying Taiwan marinetime patrol. All while get trolled by Chinese laser that they kept complaining about.
This is why you gotta go above some big patrol. Annex territorial water, boat seizing, pick your poison.
manqiangrexue
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Depends on what you mean by harrass because navies do it too.
I am not aware of any differences in engagement for China between the Philippino navy and coast guard. Send links if you think they're significantly different.
It's funny watching you use your emotional imagination that the US would shadow an ally vessel and then do nothing and "get cucked" as it gets boarded. Now it's funny, but more sad, that you have invested yourself into the idea of there being such a difference between the US Coast Guard and Navy while the whole point is moot because 1. both represent the US government so the difference in response is basically the difference in response from a man after you've struck his arm vs his foot and 2. you're imagining again that the USN doesn't have the assets to start problems now while actually, they just assigned 5 carriers to the region and they have a dedicated Asian task force that is not affected by ensnarements in Ukraine or Israel.
I'm talking about both and those waters are not uncontested; they are contested by the ROC.
Well, if you don't let them, by making headline advances on their allies by seizing their coast guard patrols, then they won't deescalate. And I'm not convinced at all of their "deescalation." Does putting 5 carriers in Asia seem like a deescalation to you?
LOLOL You're calling other people funny when you've been explained this many times before but still don't even grasp or comprehend the concept of a nonphysical loss. Having a US vessel shadow another vessel guaranteeing its safety means that if that vessel is harmed, it's a slap in America's face and a scar on its reputation that is arguably worse than the physical loss of a vessel. What a wild imagination you have, boarding a vessel under active US protection and thinking America would just walk away "cucked" because "it don't even matter" since it's not their ship. It's not even funny; it's pure stupid.
Yeah, they say that all the time.
Because they've not had to stop us from seizing vessels before. They can't stop us from sailing.
Doesn't even matter; lasers work both ways. What matters is that they can make it too dangerous to seize vessels so if you did it before but can't do it anymore, then it looks like they won. If you never did it, they have no claim to any victory.
Pacific War 2.0 is already an inevitability because the US needs a conflict both to deflect their internal disputes and to forestall economic destabilization from their increasing debt (especially when interest payments start exceeding payments on principal), so at this point the Chinese position should focus down on sustaining security operations while preparing for the eventual conflict. If the US decides to shoot first then the resulting fallout's on them.
manqiangrexue
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Not really an inevitability. When the Soviet Union was in its dying years, the US avoided conflict with it because the worst mistake a rising power (or a power that was coming into an age of domination) could do is to get cancelled in a conflict with a waning power on its way out. The Soviets were also aggressive and the US navigated them away from conflict until they dissolved; if they viewed war as inevitable, and got into a nuke-out with the Soviets, the Pax Americana decades would never have happened. China's situation is kinda like that now, except the US is simply weakening in relative terms intead of fading from existence. It is very bad for China to go to war now with the US, since they're exiting thier golden years and we're only entering ours.
Agree and that's what China is doing. The strategy of avoiding a fight only works if you are visibly intimidating and prepared to fight.
The resulting fallout is on whomever loses. Winner is always right in history.
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Coast guard can get harassed with water gun, physical blocking, ramming, no problem. When it comes to naval vessel like the one stranded on renaijiao, China only wait for it to fall apart after couple decades. That is the difference. If US coast guard comes, blocking is completely normal. You dont do that to naval vessel unless you actually are prepared for a war.
The only emotion I get is entertainment from you hype up US coast guard of all things. By all means explain how would a coast guard or naval vessel stopping China seizing a boat. In case of naval vessel it will not be harmed, but same curtesy do not extend to Taiwan boats.
Option 1: blocking Chinese patrol physically. It can't, it is outnumbered unless a whole fleet come. In that case Chinese naval vessel can do the same and out number it.
Option 2: ram Chinese boat. In that case Chinese are allowed to ram back and naval vessel cost way more to repair.
Option 3: shoot Chinese boats. The shore is couple miles away and the fleet will be in a terrible position for return fires. Not going to happen.
Feel free to enlighten me if you have alternative methods.
Same same. You are laughing too. This whole sending a fleet to protect Taiwanese boat is dumb. China will call this bluff, that is why US will not do it. They are smarter than that. They know they will fail so they will not attempt. They are not going on a shooting ramapge because China didnt give them face and boarded a boat couple mile in their own teritory.
Actually no, I take it back. US sent 2 carriers protecting ship from Yemeni pirates. Barely any response from US after their own civilian ship got hit. I'd say by now US is used to embarassments.
Mainland Chinese inspected the overturned fishing vessel and the Taiwanese coast guard ship which rammed it yesterday. China is now demanding Taiwan release the names of the four people on that coast guard ship. Looks like China has finally changed its Taiwan policy.
Called it. Lets wait for verification first, because Taiwan media can be unreliable.
