Again, US coast guard cant do anything to China. They do their funny free navigation patrol all the time and nothing China cant handle. Nothing new. If they shoot, they lose. If they ram, they also lose. It is unrealistic to happen and inconsequential, as other members pointed out.
If you put it that way, then allowing them to sail around and violate our the seas in our territory is also worth nothing. But it's a very annoying thing to be disrespected in your own back yard. And by the flip logic, if the US coast guard were to conduct a patrol with the ROC coast guard into our claimed territory, then if we shoot, we lose and if we ram, we lose too. The bottom line is that we don't want to engage the US now over Taiwan if we can help it and if they run their patrols over here, we'll have the choice of risking a premature start to the conflict or looking weak to the world as we expel or, as you would have it, board and seize ROC coast guard vessels but do nothing more than warn and shadow American ones.
Significant deployment of strategic bomber, personnel, supply and navy parked just outside shooting range. China basically sent all the capable ships back then. US deployed 2 carriers with full complement of escort destroyers along with strategic bombers. It was a pretty big incident I am surprised you never heard of it.
I said that in these hostile circumstances, ships basically shadow and warn each other; they don't physically try to intercept each other risking collision. Your original statement was something like it happened in 2016. And in this incident, I don't see any ships maneuvering aggressively to physically block other ships. Just because the US carriers parked outside of shooting range doesn't mean they were physically blocked. If they kept moving, China would not have risked ramming a fking carrier or firing on it. So what did you bring this incident up for?
Legally US has official one China policy, and by UN Taiwan is not a country. You can argue US do not respect that in practice but that is another matter. What I suggested is entirely legal. China seizing the boat is legally no different from arresting a Chinese pirate. Not until US change its official position can you claim "America's official view" it is illegal. This is just facts.
I don't know what you wrote this for. The US doesn't follow its own pledge for the One China Policy and the US decides what's legal when it gives authorization for its navy and coast guard to act.
On the boat seizing part, we can agree to disagree. I think a seizure of a boat with couple patrol officers will not cause Taiwan to declare war from a bad position. You think otherwise. That is fine. The idea was only raised on the context of Taiwan playing hardball.
No. That's moving the goalpost.
1. I said that at most, we can try to do a one-off and trap the coast guard boat and crew who were responsible. (I don't think it's gonna happen though because even if we know whom and which ship, the dude's probably now more careful than a mouse because he has to at least suspect that there might be a bounty on his head. He'd be a bloody idiot to be driving his shit around like nothing happened, getting into waters filled with Chinese Coast Guard ships where we told them they could no longer go. He might even be relegated to desk work for the foreseeable future.)
2. You suggested that it be the norm to seize ROC coast guard vessels entering the area while I the the norm would be to expel them and only board/seize if they try to fight their way in, which is the opposite of what they're doing.
3. I have never ever said that it would cause Taiwan to declare war. I don't even know where you got that from. I said that they would likely cry to the US and put the US on the spot in front of the world, ask them to defend the ROC from PRC bullying and seizing of their vessels. And the lowest hanging fruit for the US would be to send a US Coast Guard Cutter into Chinese patrolled waters shadowing the ROC Coast guard and if China couldn't act normally, which is to board and seize both of them, (and we won't,) then that would make the US look like a hero exposing Chinese hippocracy.
The most likely scenario is Taiwan sentence the violaters internally, which is sufficient.
The most likely??? You think it's likely they'd do that? Of course it'd be sufficient but I say there's no chance they will. The current situation is that China has not requested it and the ROC government has not even divulged who he is. Things aren't moving in that direction.
Quite frankly they deserve to be sentenced regardless PRC's demand, since they did violate protocol and caused a big headache for the government in Taiwan. You might think I am too optimistic. Perhaps you are right. We will just have to see.
Yeah, the captain of the ROC coast guard ship deserves to be but I think there's no chance. Did he violate protocol? That's uncertain; if he did and China's fury just keeps slashing away at that salami, it's possible that they could charge him for violating protocol (for example, perhaps he was supposed to warn them 3 times before taking physical action but he did only twice or something) and causing wrongful death to try to soothe the Mainland, but there's no evidence that he did. Perhaps they had reached the correct escalation in their protocol to chase and ram and intruding vessel, which, under Taiwanese law, is what the fishing boat was.
My proposed scenario may not happen, but I do expect something of similar nature would happen, something greater than blocking patrol in Kinmen for sure. Perhaps China could extend the blockage beyond Kinmen areas,
As I said before, blocking their patrols and increasing our de facto controlled territory is good enough but it just depends on how much. What you wrote is a rephrasing of that.
or expand the nature of interference beyond blocking maritime patrols.
I can't imagine what, because this has to be a dig at their government, not their people so it's pretty hard to do. And I'm quite satisfied with an expanded de facto sea territory. Some people want too much. I sure as shit wouldn't think it's ok to give up any Chinese territory at sea if our coast guard rammed and killed 2 or their guys.
