Everything depends on who controls the media in Taiwan. China could grow 3-4 more times, but if the people in Taiwan don't get the message, or get the skewed message thanks to US CIA propaganda, it wouldn't matter at all, and the current mindset would continue. Also, you forgot that it's not only about the money but about ideology as well. People in Taiwan are already very deep under the Western "freedom" democracy cool-aid propaganda train. They will say: "Yes, mainland China got richer, but at what cost?", or some similar bullshit, like the other people in the West basically think in the big picture. Anyways, if the US were to be "praised" for something, it is their media and propaganda dominance, also intelligence soft operations. I feel like the only way for China to change the status quo in Taiwan now, would be with practical action (like it did in Hong Kong at the end of the day, but more extreme), otherwise, there is no hope. Btw, If someone can post some kind of study regarding the state of the media in Taiwan (ownership, overall bias, rhetoric, etc...), I would appreciate it, I haven't managed to find anything like this online yet.
PLA Strategy in a Taiwan Contingency
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Everything depends on who controls the media in Taiwan. China could grow 3-4 more times, but if the people in Taiwan don't get the message, or get the skewed message thanks to US CIA propaganda, it wouldn't matter at all, and the current mindset would continue. Also, you forgot that it's not only about the money but about ideology as well. People in Taiwan are already very deep under the Western "freedom" democracy cool-aid propaganda train. They will say: "Yes, mainland China got richer, but at what cost?", or some similar bullshit, like the other people in the West basically think in the big picture. Anyways, if the US were to be "praised" for something, it is their media and propaganda dominance, also intelligence soft operations. I feel like the only way for China to change the status quo in Taiwan now, would be with practical action (like it did in Hong Kong at the end of the day, but more extreme), otherwise, there is no hope. Btw, If someone can post some kind of study regarding the state of the media in Taiwan (ownership, overall bias, rhetoric, etc...), I would appreciate it, I haven't managed to find anything like this online yet.
Now, although my in person contact with Taiwanese people have been mostly limited, I can easily deduce from the overall visible situation that they see themselves or rather their society in Taiwan as superior to that of the mainland. In these kind of situations it is usually more about pride and denial than prosperity or cooperation. And it usually ends badly as a result.
By when? 2040? I reckon that China doesn't have that much time for reunification, by then it would be a lost cause due to a couple of reasons I'm too lazy to mention.
Just to add on top of my previous post; It dawned on me that in little more than 10 years since Xi Jinping came into power in 2012, China's nominal GDP more than doubled. Not to mention historical record-setting multiplications of GDP even before then, never done before and likely never to be replicated again by anyone.
And what happened in the meantime? Not only did Taiwan not get closer to the mainland, but it got the most distant in history, with DPP stronger than ever, separatistic, pro-West, anti-CCP mainland, rhetoric stronger than ever, etc.
So, I'm sorry to say, but it looks like hoping that Taiwanese people will suddenly change their whole world views in the future, out of the blue, regarding mainland China, once some economic 'magical' number gets it, without any outside intervention, is major wishful thinking.
Yeah, you could say there is still a chance if the Chinese overall GDP per capita overtakes the Taiwanese, but most of us would be dead at that time, it's around 40 years away. Just imagine the difficulty of reaching the same standard of living for a 1.4 billion current base population of 24 million. It's easier to land on Mars.
And that's all because Taiwan's CIA masters who control the media on the island would always either hide or skew the Chinese accomplishments + as I said, the separation in the mindset of people is mostly about ideology caused by decades of Western brainwashing. So, the peaceful reunification to me looks like a pure dream.
And just because some PRC leaders and high-level officials speak about peaceful resolution, it doesn't mean that it's a very likely scenario, nor their plan. They speak it to not appear as aggressors in the eyes of the rest of the world. You can't take their statements at literal face value. At the end of the day, that is the job of officials.
And what happened in the meantime? Not only did Taiwan not get closer to the mainland, but it got the most distant in history, with DPP stronger than ever, separatistic, pro-West, anti-CCP mainland, rhetoric stronger than ever, etc.
So, I'm sorry to say, but it looks like hoping that Taiwanese people will suddenly change their whole world views in the future, out of the blue, regarding mainland China, once some economic 'magical' number gets it, without any outside intervention, is major wishful thinking.
Yeah, you could say there is still a chance if the Chinese overall GDP per capita overtakes the Taiwanese, but most of us would be dead at that time, it's around 40 years away. Just imagine the difficulty of reaching the same standard of living for a 1.4 billion current base population of 24 million. It's easier to land on Mars.
And that's all because Taiwan's CIA masters who control the media on the island would always either hide or skew the Chinese accomplishments + as I said, the separation in the mindset of people is mostly about ideology caused by decades of Western brainwashing. So, the peaceful reunification to me looks like a pure dream.
And just because some PRC leaders and high-level officials speak about peaceful resolution, it doesn't mean that it's a very likely scenario, nor their plan. They speak it to not appear as aggressors in the eyes of the rest of the world. You can't take their statements at literal face value. At the end of the day, that is the job of officials.
Ehh, to be honest I have my doubts that the great wall of ignorance in Taiwan can really hold out in the long run, already mainland shows and apps are growing in influence and popularity. You can only claim the coastal mainland is all holographic skyscrapers and fake wealth for so long before your friends and family start to ask whether you're hearing voices in your head as well...
Just to clarify this statement, I didn't mean this in a general sense, but in the context of the two population bases (with very different sizes) having the same individual origin/quality, if you know what I mean. Before someone jumps and points this out to me later with examples.
You would be surprised how far innate human moldability alongside masterful population engineering can go (especially if it is done by world-leading 'experts' in this field - CIA). I mean just look at today's Western MSM and tell me that it doesn't sound 99% crazy and schizophrenic in all aspects to you, but people, in those countries, are still buying everything up. Also factor in all ideological "at what cost", and "freedom" arguments, and overall GDP per capita in 40-50 years (before that they would always point to inner China, not just coastal). To me personally, everything about this 'peaceful reunification' scenario sounds like a pipe dream. Hong Kong would never be what is it today without the PRC actually physically cracking down on them and it's 10 times closer to the mainland than Taiwan. That's the magic of Western fairy tale bullshit propaganda virus about "freedom", "democracy", and "human rights", for gullible people. It can't be cracked without hard power, on the ground, once it sprouts. And regarding those apps and TV shows, you mention, well I use American apps every day and like some of their TV shows and movies quite a lot, but it doesn't mean that actually like them politically nor does it mean that I would like to have their system and rule in my country. Same logic for Taiwan and the mainland, let's see how will they vote first, I predict DPP again and forever. Same with identity polling.
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The ideological issue really isn't a modern phenomenon, as ideological conflict between slaveowners and industrialists in the US serves as a major historical example. In any situation where ideological based sense of superiority exists, conflict becomes inevitable, because you can always negotiate with a mercenary, but not an ideologue, especially those hostile to empirical evidence and the scientific method.
I agree. From my interaction younger gen Americans even their opinions on China is changing. I think same will apply to Taiwan. I don't expect them to like China. You can sense they accept China as a equal, even if unlikable. This is permeating at every level of society in US and it will happen to Taiwan as well.
Look at American and their trust in media. Masterful manipulation my butt. At best it delays the shift but not changing general trend.
@TK3600, sort of covered this but it's less about making Taiwanese like the idea of reunification, more about making them realize it is inevitable (even if 'inevitable' doesn't mean imminent). The shows and apps only create cracks in the narrative that China is somehow hopelessly behind and a backwards society. Realistically, I don't expect this mindset to last more than 30 years tops.
As for the US psy-ops, well let me put it this way, China does pretty well for it's relative closedness (actually this is true throughout history, we've never been an 'open society'. The ROC psyopped the USA into backing us to the delight of the Chinese oligarchy, the PRC has had multiple waves of global influence operations probably peaking in the GPCR and recent Douyin era Chinese memetic overload).
IMO China has a unique weapon up its sleeve in this domain. The CPC can basically unleash a future generation of highly educated, english capable, and just generally sophisticated memetic soldiers by simply dropping the GFW. In my view this is the information warfare equivalent of the Tsar bomb, and really only China has something like this.