PLA Strategy in a Taiwan Contingency

HighGround

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I fully agree and my apologies. I should have warned everyone about his problematic version of history and to just focus on his conclusion.
Just to make it clear, I'm an American. I find the article to be descriptive rather than predictive. Aside from my quibbles with how certain events are described (there is an obvious pro-American bias), I think it's accurate. The only thing that I think is missing, is insight into how the American public might react to a U.S. defeat or exit from WESTPAC, and subsequently, how the aforementioned domestic reaction would influence future American foreign policy.

Apologies if this has been linked before but I just found this 2021 Reuters analysis with six scenarios
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I'm thinking Scenario 3 Customs Quarantine is the most likely of any but the presentation of all six is well-done and thought-provoking.

IMO, Scenario 6 is the most likely, but again, the framing (and analysis) here is wrong.

"Xi and his top commanders are convinced they are running out of time. With the world recovering from the COVID-19 pandemic that emerged in the Chinese city of Wuhan,
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is worse than at any time since the Korean War. Its pugnacious “wolf warrior” diplomacy and its ongoing gray-zone campaign against Taiwan are hardening American and international support for the island. And the Chinese leadership is convinced it has a narrow window of opportunity to unify Taiwan by force. America is strengthening its forces and alliances in Asia, and Taipei is beginning to make urgent moves to beef up its defenses."

In my opinion, Xi and his top commanders are actually convinced that time is on their side. They will therefore avoid armed reunification if at all possible. Instead, the trigger for conflict are the outcomes of the 2024, 2028 Taiwan and US elections. I.E. A DPP (or other pro-independence movement) victories encourage Taiwan's government to keep pushing China's red lines. Similarly, lack of any real armed response from China moves the Overton window of US politics into "deterring" China by being more and more confrontational/disregarding China's warnings about arming Taiwan. On the other end of the globe, an Ukrainian victory or defeat could move the needle either way.

As a result, some idiotic initiative like a nationwide, non-binding referendum on whether Taiwan should declare independence/amend their constitution, finally triggers a reaction from Beijing.

Without warning, the PLA launches massive air, missile and cyber-attacks on key military and civilian targets all over Taiwan. At the same time, the PLA attacks U.S. bases in Japan and Guam with air and missile strikes in a bid to paralyze American forces and delay any intervention.
While these strikes are underway, a huge armada of PLA amphibious ships, landing craft and civilian ships from China’s vast merchant marine fleet sets sail from Chinese ports, about 130 km from Taiwan at its closest point. Aboard are hundreds of thousands of PLA troops and their heavy equipment.

I think it's been well covered in this Forum and elsewhere why this is probably unlikely to happen on Zero hour.
 

pevade

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The twitter doesn't think amphibious landing is very difficult once air superiority is achieved. Comments?

I think the argument that claims that amphibious landing is very difficult come from the invasion of Normandy in World War 2. But at the same time, in a different part of the world in the same war, the isles around Pacific and Asia were easily to be taken by both Japanese and United States.

We should study on how the Japanese were able to take the isles in today Indonesia, Singapore, Malaysia, Philippine, etc from their colonial governments, easily. At least, not as hard as Normandy. But at the same war, in later time, they were also defeated and easily lose the islands to United States Navy and Marines.

So what is the different between Normandy and the Pacific War? I think the complexity of the beach landing in Normandy was so big, if compared to the Pacific Islands; simply because Normandy had land access with good infrastructure to Berlin. With that connection, German Frontliners got the benefit of reinforcement, resupply, etc from German's central logistic / military command. So when the Allied conducted an amphibious landing, they had to face against the whole power of Germany WW2.

It was different to the small islands in the Pacific and SCS. Because the islands were small, they were separated from Japan mainland. So they required Naval and Air supremacy to connect Japan and the frontliners in the islands. That's why for Japan to guard those island from US Amphibious Landing was more difficult than German against the Allied in Normandy.

So what about Taiwan today?

I think everything depend on the Naval and Air supremacy of both sides. Whoever control the sea and air will rule the battlefield. If Mainland China can cut the logistic to Taiwan, Taiwan will suffer defeat like the Japanese who control the island long time ago; against the United States.

So I think the decided factor would not the beach landing operation ala Normandy, but the most bloody air and sea battle between Mainland China and United States ala Midway and the battle of Philippine sea. Whoever win that battle will win the war.

The problem is, nobody know who will win the war. But everyone know, whoever lose the war, will lose everything in the struggle of world hegemony between United States and China. If United States lose to China in this deciding factor of sea battle around Taiwan, then it is the time when the era of United States is over. They're finished.

That's why the war over Taiwan need the biggest resolve of both Countries. China and United States. As it will become the deciding factor of who will fall and who will raise.
Not just cutting off logistics but all all internet access and electricity to disrupt and minimize coordination between civilians who plan on resisting.
All the underwater internet cables need to be cut/destroyed and any internal/external paths of communication disrupted.
 

HumanHDMI

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Taiwan- China crises hasn't even achieved close to maximum level of below war escalation. There is a long way and plenty of ways to raise the temperature. For instance, there hasn't been any financial panic in Taiwan similar to pre ukraine. TAIEX hasn't crashed, NTD plunge, none of that has happened yet. Panic is infectious
 

Jason_

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Apologies if this has been linked before but I just found this 2021 Reuters analysis with six scenarios
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I'm thinking Scenario 3 Customs Quarantine is the most likely of any but the presentation of all six is well-done and thought-provoking.
No, the scenarios are not well done because they falsely imply some form of technological/military parity, whereas in reality the PLA is vastly superior to the RoCArF in every domain. In 2023, the PLA can very credibly wipe out Taiwan's Air Force and navy on day one while taking minimal losses. The notion that Taiwan can meaningfully retaliate on Chinese ports or air fields is pure fantasy.
 

Breadbox

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The article said,

"At the same time, Chinese leader Xi Jinping has turned a
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to the Biden administration’s attempts to restart high-level talks
of any sort while, as the New York Times reported recently, his country has begun a
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of its nuclear arsenal."

I find this characterization problematic. Blinken canceled the trip over a balloon incident that Washington chose to make a big deal out of (still don't have any actual details or confirmation of the "spy" payload), spent the last two months, along with the rest of US Foreign policy establishment, lambasting China about the balloon, Taiwan, and any other issue they could think of, and they are now surprised that China doesn't want to talk to Washington.

Umm, what does any of this have to do with China "turning a cold shoulder"? It's absurd that people just go along with Washington's framing completely uncritically. Regardless of how false that framing actually is.
The Anglos aren't looking to negotiate in good faith at all, they bring only threats to the table and make up negotiation leverage from thin air.

It's a complete waste of time to even talk to them, the best case scenario for them is to annoy and intimidate you into agreeing into something for no return.
 

kwaigonegin

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The twitter doesn't think amphibious landing is very difficult once air superiority is achieved. Comments?

I think the argument that claims that amphibious landing is very difficult come from the invasion of Normandy in World War 2. But at the same time, in a different part of the world in the same war, the isles around Pacific and Asia were easily to be taken by both Japanese and United States.

We should study on how the Japanese were able to take the isles in today Indonesia, Singapore, Malaysia, Philippine, etc from their colonial governments, easily. At least, not as hard as Normandy. But at the same war, in later time, they were also defeated and easily lose the islands to United States Navy and Marines.

So what is the different between Normandy and the Pacific War? I think the complexity of the beach landing in Normandy was so big, if compared to the Pacific Islands; simply because Normandy had land access with good infrastructure to Berlin. With that connection, German Frontliners got the benefit of reinforcement, resupply, etc from German's central logistic / military command. So when the Allied conducted an amphibious landing, they had to face against the whole power of Germany WW2.

It was different to the small islands in the Pacific and SCS. Because the islands were small, they were separated from Japan mainland. So they required Naval and Air supremacy to connect Japan and the frontliners in the islands. That's why for Japan to guard those island from US Amphibious Landing was more difficult than German against the Allied in Normandy.

So what about Taiwan today?

I think everything depend on the Naval and Air supremacy of both sides. Whoever control the sea and air will rule the battlefield. If Mainland China can cut the logistic to Taiwan, Taiwan will suffer defeat like the Japanese who control the island long time ago; against the United States.

So I think the decided factor would not the beach landing operation ala Normandy, but the most bloody air and sea battle between Mainland China and United States ala Midway and the battle of Philippine sea. Whoever win that battle will win the war.

The problem is, nobody know who will win the war. But everyone know, whoever lose the war, will lose everything in the struggle of world hegemony between United States and China. If United States lose to China in this deciding factor of sea battle around Taiwan, then it is the time when the era of United States is over. They're finished.
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That's why the war over Taiwan need the biggest resolve of both Countries. China and United States. As it will become the deciding factor of who will fall and who will raise.
Japan did not invade Malaysia and Singapore via amphibious assault. They did a blitzkrieg style attack coming down from Thailand.
Philippines was a cakewalk because it happened right after Pearl Harbor and the imperial Japanese air force had quickly achieved air superiority with the destruction of Clark airbase.
 

ansy1968

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Japan did not invade Malaysia and Singapore via amphibious assault. They did a blitzkrieg style attack coming down from Thailand.
Philippines was a cakewalk because it happened right after Pearl Harbor and the imperial Japanese air force had quickly achieved air superiority with the destruction of Clark airbase.
Sir correct in certain way BUT a huge blame should be put on Douglas MacArthur stupid strategy and timidity. The Japanese invasion forces landed at Lingayen gulf from there going to Manila there are a lots of choke point and natural obstacles to prevent the Japanese rapid advances. And Bataan is not ideal for the defense as the Japanese control the sea, for an amateur like me the Sierra Madre mountain range is better defensive wise.
 

tonyget

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ROCMND report for yesterday's ADIZ has something new, TB-001 going all the way around the island. It's that UAV with 3 engines two tractor and one pusher.

What‘s interesting,is that China has been using the TB and BZK series drone to patrolling around. TB and BZK drone are unfamiliar to public,as oppose to CH or WingLong or WZ. I wonder why that is the case? Why don't they use the likes of CH/WingLong/WZ ?
 
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