There's no need to go nuclear.
Even without an invasion attempt, remember that Taiwan will face collapse anyway due to the destruction of its industrial infrastructure and civilian economy.
PLA Strategy in a Taiwan Contingency
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There's no need to go nuclear.
Even without an invasion attempt, remember that Taiwan will face collapse anyway due to the destruction of its industrial infrastructure and civilian economy.
US does not have a legal obligation to interfere in a nuclear superpower's unresolved civil war. The Taiwan Relations Act (TRA) only obligates US to sell defensive weapons, but is highly ambiguous to actually military intervention. It's a feature, not a bug. So automatically presuming US will risk Los Angeles for Taipei in a nuclear exchange is suicidal and idiotic, not the other way around (e.g. China willing to risk sacrificing Shanghai to gain Taipei). Simple game theory, bro.
Literally said noone ever. Name a single poster who said West will escalate into nuclear MAD.
Let me know when West decides to sell F-35's to Taiwan before telling us that West is willing to nuke China off the face of earth to defend Taiwan. Basics bro, get the basics down first before talking big and tough.
And the West needs to face the consequences of interfering in a nuclear superpower's unresolved civil war in which it has no legal obligation to interfere according to the Taiwan Relations Act (TRA). It's up to them if they want to be idiotic and suicidal.
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Well, I guess it's difficult to wake up a person who is pretending to be asleep.
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hey people please calm down despite this Taiwan topic being very sensitive to us Chinese people.
For the westerners, Americans in particular, their concept of national borders and unification is very different from ours.
America is built on slaughtering the local aboriginals and occupying their land, so national identity and sovereignty mean nothing to Americans, they will go on dividing and conquering just like what their forefathers did as long as there are spoils to take and money to be made. In short, a robber's mentality. (Hence a westerner has many difficulties fully understanding the mindset of a Chinese, please give allowance to them during our discussion.)
Whereas to China, a unified country is deeply ingrained in our psyche and culture as our long history shows us that only by remaining unified could China prosper. So there is a strong Chinese will and incentive to fight for Taiwan's reunification with the Motherland.
in short, the contest is between Chinese determination for her own well-being vs American-led western alliance of the robbers.
if China is weak, the robbers would come in a horde.
if China is strong, the robbers would think twice or thrice. and the robber would join you if he can't fight you.
therefore I believe China should continue to build up her conventional forces, backed up of course by adequate nuclear deterrence, and eventually, America will come to terms and accept that she can't win. when that day dawns, she may even make friends with China once again, who knows!
I don't believe the Western alliance will and can actually land their forces and fight China over Taiwan, no way.
For the westerners, Americans in particular, their concept of national borders and unification is very different from ours.
America is built on slaughtering the local aboriginals and occupying their land, so national identity and sovereignty mean nothing to Americans, they will go on dividing and conquering just like what their forefathers did as long as there are spoils to take and money to be made. In short, a robber's mentality. (Hence a westerner has many difficulties fully understanding the mindset of a Chinese, please give allowance to them during our discussion.)
Whereas to China, a unified country is deeply ingrained in our psyche and culture as our long history shows us that only by remaining unified could China prosper. So there is a strong Chinese will and incentive to fight for Taiwan's reunification with the Motherland.
in short, the contest is between Chinese determination for her own well-being vs American-led western alliance of the robbers.
if China is weak, the robbers would come in a horde.
if China is strong, the robbers would think twice or thrice. and the robber would join you if he can't fight you.
therefore I believe China should continue to build up her conventional forces, backed up of course by adequate nuclear deterrence, and eventually, America will come to terms and accept that she can't win. when that day dawns, she may even make friends with China once again, who knows!
I don't believe the Western alliance will and can actually land their forces and fight China over Taiwan, no way.
US already come to terms it can't win. So that's why it resorts to weapons sales to bleed the Chinese dry. If you can't win, atleast make it bloody hell for us. US postures about intervention, but does it sell F-35s to Taiwan ? Scared China might steal it's tech because Taiwanese is unreliable and infested with spies/traitors. Then you have your unspoken answer! US won't do jack shit except Intel, ammo, bitch and whine and sanctions.
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Oooh, came to spill your guts all over the pavement, then saw everyone else already turned you into road kill. What left is there for me to do?
Do you even know what nukes are for? They are for preventing the defeat of your nation in all out war. If a Chinese military reunification doesn't go well, obviously it is because some other nation or nations decided to attack China. That is all out war and that is what nuclear missiles are for. Of course any other country that picks a fight with China can escalate it to nuclear war too, and that's why China's building its nuclear arsenal to show them that that's not a good idea because China's ready. As a matter of fact, any attack on China is very very much a bad idea. Russia set a perfect example; the instant Putin said his nuclear forces are ready the US wouldn't touch Ukraine with a 39 and a half foot pole.
So if you wanna get back to reality, it is that if China needs to use military intervention to reclaim its rightful territory in Taiwan, any other country that intervenes will be putting themselves onto a path of either conventional defeat or nuclear destruction. And that's why they will all sit there and twiddle their fingers; some will shout "SANCTIONS!!!" and others will look at their stocks and businesses and give a quite head shake in disagreement.
You conveniently forgot the most important part of that place's whole identity, i.e, ongoing civil war. This is a contested place, where the delusions you constructed as a representation of deliriously confused people who called themselves entirely something else totally fabricated other than Chinese regardless of factual roots, echoing your powerless vision of exclusion, will ultimately fail. Something you'd need to understand is that this is China's modern version of Jerusalem, a symbolic meaning so deeply burnt into the national psyche that every fiber of every beating heart in China holds one single idea - this is ours to make it one whole piece. Your resistance is futile, reception and inclusion is the only correct path forward.
trying to dress up an invasion effort of robbing people who have known freedom for the past 70 years into "glorious purpose" or "revitalization of a country" is pathetic, cruel and meaningless. and lmao at the posters saying somehow china's justified because of chinese "psyche, history or culture", that sounds like some other dictator d**khead said recently when he decided to launch his country into a war that has bogged him down for 3 weeks now.
regardless of what "most chinese" think, an overwhelming majority of taiwanese do not, and will not, accept CCP rule. and the fact that CCP has not yet dared to launch an major offensive of any kind, physical, political or economical, speak more to its simple inability to do such thing.
as of today's PLA overall conventional capability, it has no chance against an allied intervention when it comes to taking tw. and a defeat in tw would certainly mean the complete destruction of any meaningful PLAN and PLAAF forces, which would also at best turn china into a bigger NK or at worst, lead to the eventual collapse of the CCP.
regardless of what "most chinese" think, an overwhelming majority of taiwanese do not, and will not, accept CCP rule. and the fact that CCP has not yet dared to launch an major offensive of any kind, physical, political or economical, speak more to its simple inability to do such thing.
as of today's PLA overall conventional capability, it has no chance against an allied intervention when it comes to taking tw. and a defeat in tw would certainly mean the complete destruction of any meaningful PLAN and PLAAF forces, which would also at best turn china into a bigger NK or at worst, lead to the eventual collapse of the CCP.