PLA Strategy in a Taiwan Contingency

el pueblo unido

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On a side note. It also showed me that the western trope of guerilla warfare and civilian resistance is not really realistic. Civilians may say a lot online but shut up and stay home really quickly once war breaks out.
This is pretty much to be expected to be honest, keyboard typing is one thing and fighting however requires great courage and trainings, in a world of capitalist self centric population, people would rather stay at home

Also sending weapons to regular civilians seems to be such a dick and half-assed move, an armed civilian without training, organization and leadership is either bunch of targets or potential criminals, but it seems to satisfy many self entitled western snowflakes who pretend to care about the world.
 
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Overbom

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The PLA could certainly blow up every square inch of the island but that will be unpopular domestically as most mainland chinese still view taiwanese as kin
By the time a war happened, Information warfare campaigns should have softened the Taiwan population into believing that nothing would be targeted at them and this was only a military-to-military clash. This is a long term influence operation. The PLA can keep sending this message long before the invasion started and eventually,
people will believe it


On a side note. It also showed me that the western trope of guerilla warfare and civilian resistance is not really realistic. Civilians may say a lot online but shut up really quickly once war breaks out.
Ukraine has NATO on its land border where it can be supplied all the time. As for Taiwan it is an island where it would be under blockade and closed of from the outside world when a conflict started. For making a resistance, let them do it.. Taiwan is a small place and PAP would wipe the floor with them

There are also various other measures to consider, espionage, sleeper cells activated, ROC military units turning against the government, promise of official-positions/rewards for Taiwanese who performed "meritorious" deeds for helping the PLA etc

There is a huge array of kinetic and non-kinetic measures that China would undertake to take Taiwan under control.
 

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By the time a war happened, Information warfare campaigns should have softened the Taiwan population into believing that nothing would be targeted at them and this was only a military-to-military clash. This is a long term influence operation. The PLA can keep sending this message long before the invasion started and eventually,
people will believe it



Ukraine has NATO on its land border where it can be supplied all the time. As for Taiwan it is an island where it would be under blockade and closed of from the outside world when a conflict started. For making a resistance, let them do it.. Taiwan is a small place and PAP would wipe the floor with them

There are also various other measures to consider, espionage, sleeper cells activated, ROC military units turning against the government, promise of official-positions/rewards for Taiwanese who performed "meritorious" deeds for helping the PLA etc

There is a huge array of kinetic and non-kinetic measures that China would undertake to take Taiwan under control.
Awards to defectors should be in USD, after reunification US would definetly cut China from Swift...

This showing from Russia has been lackluster. Hope China watch and take notes and prepare better
 

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Awards to defectors should be in USD, after reunification US would definetly cut China from Swift...

This showing from Russia has been lackluster. Hope China watch and take notes and prepare better
keep in mind this is day 3, and it's a nominal 1v1. It took 25 days to enter Baghdad in 2003 in a 6v1 against an Iraq that had been beaten down from 10 years of low intensity hybrid attrition warfare.
 

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I've been following the Ukraine thread. Let's make something clear here. China is not going to invade Taiwan anytime soon. It has its own timeline and own plan to coerce Taiwan. If you've been following their military development and Shilao podcast, you should have an idea of when that is.

I think the plan is to continue ramping up pressure with air incursions and testing air defenses around Taiwan, larger military exercises in East China Sea and South China Sea. Even more training and operations off those island runways in Spratleys. As more J-16s and J-20s join service, they will be able to do more and more around Taiwan and Japanese islands. This achieves PLAAF's goal of improving realistic training, upping operational tempo and completely understanding how Taiwan and Japan would react to PLAAF incursions. Keep in mind that there are a lot of F-35s that will be coming to Japan in the coming years. It's also a great opportunity for PLA to try out there tactics in detecting and then tracking F-35s.

Could China launch an attack on Taiwan right now? Sure, if Taiwan decides to unilaterally change status quo. But China launching unilateral actions would just be too risky. They need to get semiconductor industry and other key industry have domestic supply chain setup. They need to have all the energy pipelines setup and domestic reserves increased so they can fend off long term cut to their trade routes. They need to somehow secure access to all the farming imports they would need. All these things take time.

Long term, the goal has to be coercing Taiwan to accept some level of re-unification without an actual war. Maybe that would involve allowing Taiwan to keep their government and police, but having PLA control the military bases. Like what they had with Hong Kong except maybe give Taiwan more autonomy. A lot of this would involve putting both hard pressure and growing economic trades even more with Taiwan. At this point, ROCAF is already feeling overly strained from PLAAF pressure. They don't have enough F-16Vs. The IDFs and M2Ks don't stand a chance against J-16s and overwhelming EW aircraft presence let alone J-20s. With all the interceptions, F-16V pilots don't even have enough time to train. They are overly strained. That's why you see so many fatal crashes. Why would ordinary Taiwanese want to become a pilot if they can't get adequately trained and keep seeing other pilots crashing and dying. That's why ROCAF is having a real tough time recruiting pilots. Over time, PLAAF and defeat ROCAF and Taiwan defense without firing a missile. This just demoralizes Taiwanese military and everyone in the Taiwanese government. Again, China's goal has to be reunification without actual war. It's well on its way there. The Taiwanese elites don't think Taiwan can stay independent for that long. A lot of them live in mainland or HK already. It doesn't make a huge difference for them if Taiwan demilitarizes.


In an unfortunate/sad event that China cannot get Taiwan to accept peaceful re-unification and decide to attack, I think it would look a lot different than what Russia has shown so far. There is no way PLAAF will go this long into a conflict without massively using EW assets to disable Taiwan communication, infrastructure and military. How does Ukraine still have a semi functional air defense right now? That won't happen in a mainland invasion over Taiwan. Taiwan power grids, cell phone networks and communications will get shut down pretty quickly. As we discussed earlier in the thread, Taiwanese Air Force will be worn out by the time invasion starts. The air defense/radar will get neutralized very quickly by all the attack aircraft and EW aircraft that PLAAF can employ. there will be a full blockade of Taiwan. I think they'd be able to take over all the major TV/Radio stations and government buildings in Taipei and Taichung in the first few days and just get Taiwanese people to accept that there is no point in fighting on. Again, I expect a quick/effective strike to build on the existing perception that China is too powerful to get Taiwan to give up. It's a multi-year and decade process. The last thing China wants is a whole bunch of crying photos/videos on social media sharing how terrible an invasion is.
 

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By the time a war happened, Information warfare campaigns should have softened the Taiwan population into believing that nothing would be targeted at them and this was only a military-to-military clash. This is a long term influence operation. The PLA can keep sending this message long before the invasion started and eventually,
people will believe it



Ukraine has NATO on its land border where it can be supplied all the time. As for Taiwan it is an island where it would be under blockade and closed of from the outside world when a conflict started. For making a resistance, let them do it.. Taiwan is a small place and PAP would wipe the floor with them

There are also various other measures to consider, espionage, sleeper cells activated, ROC military units turning against the government, promise of official-positions/rewards for Taiwanese who performed "meritorious" deeds for helping the PLA etc

There is a huge array of kinetic and non-kinetic measures that China would undertake to take Taiwan under control.
@Overbom have you seen this? And what do you think of this person's assessments.

 

Overbom

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@Overbom have you seen this? And what do you think of this person's assessments.

This is offtopic but seeing you posted it here I will respond with a few words.

The expert is broadly correct, Saudi Arabia has a different strategic calculus from the US/EU. Middle East is a different geopolitical chessboard than Europe.
So when they say , what are you going to do about Russia, the answer will be "nothing, things in our region are ok. Move on with your European war and leave us alone"

/end of offtopic
 

Bellum_Romanum

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This is offtopic but seeing you posted it here I will respond with a few words.

The expert is broadly correct, Saudi Arabia has a different strategic calculus from the US/EU. Middle East is a different geopolitical chessboard than Europe.
So when they say , what are you going to do about Russia, the answer will be "nothing, things in our region are ok. Move on with your European war and leave us alone"

/end of offtopic
I accidentally embedded the wrong video. It's about the Taiwan scenario
 

FriedButter

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@Overbom have you seen this? And what do you think of this person's assessments.

The analysis on a potential battle after 15 mins on the US response is just completely unrealistic. China airforce magically disappears after the initial strike. Then US/Allies submarines and aircraft carriers face zero resistance and sail up to Taiwan and the Strait to destroy the logistic line between the Mainland and China. It seems like he thinks China has zero capabilities to response against the US/Allies navy/airforce and they will just sail right into Taiwan.
 
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