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Key Findings of US Rand Study Report (Another American perspective)

The CCP (they always get this wrong - should be CPC) has experienced long periods of transition between types of political legitimacy. Periods of stability for each type of political legitimacy have tended to last about ten years. According to this pattern, a transition to a new basis of political legitimacy is likely underway or imminent.
The strength of the CCP's revolutionary charisma legitimacy contributed to a dogged fighting style and impressive battlefield resilience in the Korean War. However, repeated policy failures discredited the CCP's revolutionary charisma–based legitimacy.
Although the turn to economic prosperity facilitated the military's embrace of modernization, it has proven a generally inferior substitute for the original Maoist formula in terms of the military's morale and willingness to take major risks and endure losses.
Under Xi, national populism as a type of legitimacy has incentivized the CCP to take more assertive actions to defend the nation's interests but paradoxically also increased its sensitivity to military casualties, which has resulted in a military that is improving its professionalism even as it remains cautious about combat operations.
How the CCP's legitimacy evolves in coming years will profoundly shape the form of military challenge posed by the PLA. The result could be a peer military competitor, but other scenarios are possible. For example, a weakened CCP and PLA could withhold cooperation on shared global security threats and exacerbate the burdens borne by the U.S. military and its allies and partners.

LOL, they want to attack CPC from inside. Just like what they did with Syria. So now they want to dig something, like legitimacy.
 

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China builds huge new wartime military command centre in Beijing​


Complex will be bigger than Pentagon and include bombproof bunkers for leaders, say US intelligence officials
I am skeptical. Why would anyone build bunkers for your top commanders in such an open flat field under the watchful eyes of adversaries in orbit? And the site is dangerously close to the Qinglonghu reservoir, also a popular tourist destination.

Just a few kilometres to the west, you would be in the Yanshan mountain where you can bore tunnels as bunkers under the granite bedrocks as thick as a hundred meters.
 

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China builds huge new wartime military command centre in Beijing​


Complex will be bigger than Pentagon and include bombproof bunkers for leaders, say US intelligence officials

Just to give an idea on how absolutely massive the site at Qinglonghu is, which is more than 4 kilometers across at its widest extent.

Satellite photos posted by @foolsball on Twitter.

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I am skeptical. Why would anyone build bunkers for your top commanders in such an open flat field under the watchful eyes of adversaries in orbit? And the site is dangerously close to the Qinglonghu reservoir, also a popular tourist destination.

Just a few kilometres to the west, you would be in the Yanshan mountain where you can bore tunnels as bunkers under the granite bedrocks as thick as a hundred meters.
There is no adversary that can hit that site excepting mass nuclear strike anyways.

Underground tunnels serve more to let organizers and commanders move about and having meetings unseen by crowds above ground. It's a lot harder to get a spy into a deep underground compound with just a few ways in and out, compared to a normal above ground mansion. To coordinate global scale operations, you want the secrecy and the concentrated infrastructure.

That it's close to a tourist area shouldn't matter if it's a pentagon style building. Taking photos of the outside is fine.
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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I am skeptical. Why would anyone build bunkers for your top commanders in such an open flat field under the watchful eyes of adversaries in orbit? And the site is dangerously close to the Qinglonghu reservoir, also a popular tourist destination.

Just a few kilometres to the west, you would be in the Yanshan mountain where you can bore tunnels as bunkers under the granite bedrocks as thick as a hundred meters.

According to @foolsball, should the nuclear bunker structures present at the Qinglonghu complex (if this is the actual case here) be well designed & built and are situated deep enough underground, the bunker structures should be capable of withstanding nuclear blast directly above (but not right on top of) the structures (i.e. surface detonation).

Besides, the spread-out nature of the complex means that multiple large-yield warheads would be needed to ensure a complete kill on literally everyone that are spread across the complex.

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(The prompts that I've obtained from Deepseek suggested similar values, i.e. at least ~100 meters below ground).

In the meantime, some have suggested that the Qinglonghu complex is actually and basically a joint office site being built for the PLA as part of the capital's decentralization plan, which is similar to how Beijing's municipal government is being moved to Tongzhou since 2015. Once completed, it is stipulated that the CMC and the HQs of various PLA services & arms will be relocated there from the Beijing city center.

Simply put, the Qinglonghu complex should be seen as a relocation of the PLA Command HQ. The wartime command center of the PLA remains situated somewhere underground in the Xishan/Western Hills (西山) mountain ranges west of Beijing.

 
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Maikeru

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According to @foolsball, should the nuclear bunker structures present at the Qinglonghu complex (if this is the actual case here) be well designed & built and are situated deep enough underground, the bunker structures should be capable of withstanding nuclear blast directly above (but not right on top of) the structures (i.e. surface detonation).

Besides, the spread-out nature of the complex means that multiple large-yield warheads would be needed to ensure a complete kill on literally everyone that are spread across the complex.

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(The prompts that I've obtained from Deepseek suggested similar values, i.e. at least ~100 meters below ground).

In the meantime, some have suggested that the Qinglonghu complex is actually and basically a joint office site being built for the PLA as part of the capital's decentralization plan, which is similar to how Beijing's municipal government is being moved to Tongzhou since 2015. Once completed, it is stipulated that the CMC and the HQs of various PLA services & arms will be relocated there from the Beijing city center.

Simply put, the Qinglonghu complex should be seen as a relocation of the PLA Command HQ. The wartime command center of the PLA remains situated somewhere underground in the Xishan/Western Hills (西山) west of Beijing.

That makes a lot more sense. Basically the admin functions of a very large military at this new site whilst the operational (esp. nuclear) functions are in super-hardened facilities under mountains.
 
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