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Sinnavuuty

Sinnavuuty

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gelgoog said:
There will be corruption anywhere money and power pass through. But the Chinese MIC delivers products and at a fraction of the price of the US MIC. And yet you do not see customary mentions of that with every single article that is written about something.
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I do not doubt its efficiency, but what you say is exactly what the author defended in his point of view, which he disagrees with:
"Huge financial inputs to these sectors have produced rampant corruption" [based on source?]
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The part he didn't like in the text (1st paragraph of the article's text), he decided to ignore everything else and throw it in the "ignored" bin, and I posted the link to further validate the rise to the top of the leadership of these new leaders in the defense industry.
 
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Sinnavuuty said:
The rigor is explored: the rise of industrial leaders in the defense sector. You seem to have ignored this and started to ignore the entire content just because you read the first paragraph that you didn't like. As I said, the article offers the analysis of the rise of this new rising group in the PRC.
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No the whole article is fraught with absurdity, this is just a few examples.
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In other words, now changing the positioning of the undeniable evidence of corruption in the defense industry in China to "efficiency in the return/benefit of the defense industry". It does not change the positioning of the author, who claimed in the aforementioned sentence that the resources directed evidently ended up with rampant corruption, and this is validated by the several purges of the PRC military leadership since 2012. This is far from an extreme claim. The benefits of rising military power and modernization are obvious, but there is still the problem of corruption in the military bureaucracy, even if your denialism does not allow you to confirm this, it is still a problem that Xi and the top leadership are addressing.

Purging or purging is the process of purging, expelling or eliminating something, in the sense of getting rid of a problem and putting out an object with a negative connotation. Do you have any problem with the term? Or is it not to your liking either?
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It is not normal terminology when talking about criminal statistics. I just commented on that, in a quite neutral way.
Sinnavuuty said:
Why is there any need to make comparisons with other countries? The fact that other countries have corruption at the same or higher rates is irrelevant to the case here, since we are talking about the PRC.
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"Why is there any need to make comparisons with other countries?"

Jesus, this is really really basic stuff.

A control group/baseline reference is needed for validity, especially when you're making comparative statements.

"Huge corruption" is a comparative statement and as so it is devoid of meaning if you don't have a baseline you're referring back to. Huge compared to what? To trisolarans and martians?

We're at the middle school level here.
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Dude, this isn't even a comparable analogy that I even refuse to comment on haha
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Probably good for you to refuse to comment so as not to embarrass yourself further. You and this author both are working on quite strange logic, and this is true regardless of whatever biases you have, you should still retain basic logic.
 
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Xi Jinping Has Further Boosted the Military-Industrial Group of China​

An article on the rise of leaders of the defense industry group to the highest positions in the PRC. It also analyzes the possible creation of an internal faction of this group within the Chinese bureaucracy.


There is another article on another website about the same subject, but the website is somewhat critical but offers an analysis of the rise of this group.
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Xi Jinping Has Further Boosted the Military-Industrial Group of China
Publication: China Brief Volume: 24 Issue: 20
By: Arthur Ding, K. Tristan Tang
October 18, 2024 11:35 AM Age: 4 weeks
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ABOUT THE AUTHORS

Arthur Ding
Dr. Arthur S. Ding is a Professor Emeritus at National Chengchi University (NCCU), Taipei, Taiwan. He now teaches part time at both the NCCU and Taiwan’s National Defense University. His research FOCUSES ON China security related fields, including China’s defense, party-military relations, as well as China’s defense industry. Dr. Ding holds a Ph.D. in Government and International Studies from the University of Notre Dame.

The University of Notre Dame Australia is a national Catholic university with Campuses in Fremantle and Broome in Western Australia, and Sydney in New South Wales.


K. Tristan Tang
K. Tristan Tang is a RESEARCH ASSOCIATE at the Research Project on China’s Defense Affairs (RCDA). His research focuses on the China’s defense industry, the People’s Liberation Army, and Chinese foreign policy.

His research focuses on China’s defense industry, the People’s Liberation Army, and Chinese foreign policy. His work has appeared in the Diplomat, Jamestown Foundation's China Brief, Pacific Forum's Pacnet, and the Australian Strategic Policy Institute's the Strategist. He is a graduate student in the Department of Political Science at National Taiwan University.

Research Project on China's Defense Affairs (RCDA)
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Based in Taipei, we are a group of Taiwanese researchers specializing in Chinese defense matters and the People's Liberation Army. Our primary focus is on two key areas:

1.China's gray-zone operations against Taiwan.

2.The PLA's preparations for a potential invasion of Taiwan.


PREVIOUS ARTICLES by authors at this platform:

Xi Seeks to Reinvigorate Military-Civilian Integration
Publication: China Brief Volume: 23 Issue: 7
By: Arthur Ding, K. Tristan Tang
April 14, 2023 03:48 PM Age: 2 years
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At a Dead End? China’s Drive to Reform Defense Science and Technology Institutes Stalls
Publication: China Brief Volume: 23 Issue: 1
By: Arthur Ding, K. Tristan Tang
January 19, 2023 03:06 PM Age: 2 years
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Well, in order to stay relevant with what one's doing for a living, he should cater the market! What they want to hear.

I, for simplicity, will just stick to reality... year over year observations... and is the direction right, does nation progress or decline, is country getting better or worse over years... Well, I am just a simple mind having witnessed over many decades in my life. I know what to believe
 
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windsclouds2030 said:
Xi Jinping Has Further Boosted the Military-Industrial Group of China
Publication: China Brief Volume: 24 Issue: 20
By: Arthur Ding, K. Tristan Tang
October 18, 2024 11:35 AM Age: 4 weeks
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ABOUT THE AUTHORS

Arthur Ding
Dr. Arthur S. Ding is a Professor Emeritus at National Chengchi University (NCCU), Taipei, Taiwan. He now teaches part time at both the NCCU and Taiwan’s National Defense University. His research FOCUSES ON China security related fields, including China’s defense, party-military relations, as well as China’s defense industry. Dr. Ding holds a Ph.D. in Government and International Studies from the University of Notre Dame.

The University of Notre Dame Australia is a national Catholic university with Campuses in Fremantle and Broome in Western Australia, and Sydney in New South Wales.


K. Tristan Tang
K. Tristan Tang is a RESEARCH ASSOCIATE at the Research Project on China’s Defense Affairs (RCDA). His research focuses on the China’s defense industry, the People’s Liberation Army, and Chinese foreign policy.

His research focuses on China’s defense industry, the People’s Liberation Army, and Chinese foreign policy. His work has appeared in the Diplomat, Jamestown Foundation's China Brief, Pacific Forum's Pacnet, and the Australian Strategic Policy Institute's the Strategist. He is a graduate student in the Department of Political Science at National Taiwan University.

Research Project on China's Defense Affairs (RCDA)
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Based in Taipei, we are a group of Taiwanese researchers specializing in Chinese defense matters and the People's Liberation Army. Our primary focus is on two key areas:

1.China's gray-zone operations against Taiwan.

2.The PLA's preparations for a potential invasion of Taiwan.


PREVIOUS ARTICLES by authors at this platform:

Xi Seeks to Reinvigorate Military-Civilian Integration
Publication: China Brief Volume: 23 Issue: 7
By: Arthur Ding, K. Tristan Tang
April 14, 2023 03:48 PM Age: 2 years
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At a Dead End? China’s Drive to Reform Defense Science and Technology Institutes Stalls
Publication: China Brief Volume: 23 Issue: 1
By: Arthur Ding, K. Tristan Tang
January 19, 2023 03:06 PM Age: 2 years
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Well, in order to stay relevant with what one's doing for a living, he should cater the market! What they want to hear.

I, for simplicity, will just stick to reality... year over year observations... and is the direction right, does nation progress or decline, is country getting better or worse over years... Well, I am just a simple mind having witnessed over many decades in my life. I know what to believe
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Well, corruption is a crime activity that need an evidence to justify it. Without the evidence, it just a notion to discredit another people. For the context of Ding and Tang, it is for propaganda purpose, unless they have the evidence to justify their accusation.
 
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On November 30, Russian Tu-95MS strategic missile carriers and Chinese H-6K bombers carried out an air patrol over the waters of the Sea of Japan, the East China Sea and the western part of the Pacific Ocean. The duration of the joint flight of Russian and Chinese aircraft was about 8 hours. Fighter air cover was provided along the entire route of the joint patrol, using Russian Su-30SM, MiG-31 and Chinese J-16 (Jian-16) aircraft. The J-16 aircraft is based on the Russian Su-27 aircraft. During the joint air patrol, the Russian aircraft landed and took off from an airfield in China, and refueled in the air. Russian Tu-95MS strategic missile carriers are carriers of non-nuclear KR Kh-101 strategic missiles and nuclear Kh-102 missiles. The H-6K bombers can carry YJ-21 missiles, as well as DF-10 strategic cruise missiles with a range of 1,700 - 2,000 km.

 
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Maikeru said:
CMPR 2024 due out within 5 days:

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Some of the hilarous sh1ts pointed out by Ayi regarding the CMPR 2024 report, so far:

- Insists that the J-35 does not have an air force variant (i.e. J-35A), 31 days after the Zhuhai Air Show ended (rofl)
- Believes that China only has 225x J-16s (lol)
- No mention on the J-20 number (why lol)
- Zero mention of the J-XD development (hopefully they're in for a nasty surprise)
- Insists that China is still trying to purchase 36x Ka-52Ks

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I also have some doubts on China's nuclear warhead production rates in the report.

Honestly makes me think that the purpose of this CMPR report is actually to placate the Congress than being factually informative.
 
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ACuriousPLAFan said:
Some of the hilarous sh1ts pointed out by Ayi regarding the CMPR 2024 report, so far:

- Insists that the J-35 does not have an air force variant (i.e. J-35A), 31 days after the Zhuhai Air Show ended (rofl)
- Believes that China only has 225x J-16s (lol)
- No mention on the J-20 number (why lol)
- Zero mention of the J-XD development (hopefully they're in for a nasty surprise)
- Insists that China is still trying to purchase 36x Ka-52Ks

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I also have some doubts on China's nuclear warhead production rates in the report.

Honestly makes me think that the purpose of this CMPR report is actually to placate the Congress than being factually informative.
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J-35A is easy to explain because it happened so recently. This report is the product of a slow bureaucracy, which means they are lagging way behind the present time. Cutoff was early 2024; they presumably spent the rest of the time drafting and editing and so forth.

Report Scope: This report covers security and military developments involving the PRC through early 2024.
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ACuriousPLAFan said:
I also have some doubts on China's nuclear warhead production rates in the report.
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You would be right to have those doubts. As I wrote over in the ICBM thread:

On another note, their analysis of Chinese civilian reactor construction claims HEU-based fuel will allow for better WGP production; this is false, a plutonium-based fuel is more efficient.

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It's important to remember that these are the same people who claimed the Soviets would have 800 jet-powered heavy bombers by 1960 when they ended up having about 40-50. The US has been heavily gunning for any excuse to expand its operational nuclear force, in 2020 Trump's representative for arms control literally said "we know how to start and win arms races" and just a couple days ago The Heritage Foundation or some think tank published an article calling for taking W80 and W79 (!!) warheads out of the stockpile and mounting them on LRASM, JASSM, and TLAMs. W79 is an artillery shell lol.
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