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hkky

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I am not a manufacture here I don’t know but they did lengthen the case. Even went as far as some production and sale.
Looks like the bottom bullet is attached to the top one fixed in place by brass throat.. I don't what would happen if the 2nd bullet becomes misaligned. There would be a bang and I don't know if the bullet would go through or gets jammed in the barrel. There are cases of misfire where one round do not come out and the second round jams and the gun blows up. I do not see any advantage two bullets may have over a heavier bullet. Powder is reduced and mass of projectile doubled -->slow bullets.
 

hkky

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I’m not a reloader, but I’m pretty sure standard rifle cartridges are not jam packed to the brim with powder, as ‘hot loads’, where too much powder gets added to a cartridge during reloading, is a real issue. As such, loosing some internal volume to extra projectiles may not necessarily reduce the powder charge by much or even any.

You also have the option of using a more energy dense, and expensive powder type where you do loose volume but want to keep muzzle energy at a certain minimum level.

Point is there are options, and if they made the round, it means they worked out an acceptable solution. No need to overly concern ourselves with the idea of duff rounds, as they would not have bothered making it if it hit like wet paper towels.
I reload almost everything I shoot. Reload recipes matched to the gun is much more accurate than the off-the-shelf ammo at lower cost. Most of the reload data you see have >95% powder loading. There are many formulae where the powder load is >100% (the bullet actually crushes the powder) and so I do not think there is enough space, say at 90% load, to accommodate a second bullet and so tradeoff has to be made. Even small changes to the powder can impact the bullet trajectory, I normally load powders in increments of 0.2 grains (0.013 gram) and for a 5.56 round, there is a noticeable change in the point of impact at 100 yards. This would be very much magnified at longer range.

I am not sure if there are big differences in the energy density in the powder. The shape of the powder may impact packing fraction, but I do not think the energy content changes much (between different powders the mass loaded is only slightly different, but that is primary for accuracy consideration). For different rounds, other than the powder brand, primary powder selection criteria is the burn rate. The burn rate then impact the pressure. Most of the loads are not too far from the maximum spec pressure of the barrel (although there should be a lot of margin).

I'd think twice before shooting a double bullet round.
 

kriss

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We are not talking about an assault rifle here. This is 14.5x114mm round. That is not a caliber for an infantry rifle. It’s at the very edge of an automatic cannon. That’s a gun almost 2 meters long.
Farther such selectors are iffy as it would depend on what type of gas operation. Impingement or a piston okay. Delayed blowback not happening. Frankly I don’t know enough about the QJG 02 HMG every source I have just repeats generalizations. It doesn’t seem to have an external gas block meaning it might be delayed blowback meaning an internal operation.
Thought you were talking about a squad weapon. In the case of HMG yes that would complicate things.
 

by78

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Snow Leopard Commando with CS/LS7 submachine guns.

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MwRYum

Major
Dumb question but don't the CSLS7 use 9mm? I thought the PAP or military don't use 9mm.
PAP and the Police use 9mm ammo, it's the military that use 5.8mm.

Thus far the military has little interest in 9mm SMGs, however the police and PAP has the requirement to replace the Type 79 SMG, still commonly seen with the police.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
PAP urban brick? I could see some use for it but it would have some potential failure factor to. Out side of brick structures in fall in highly wooded along transitional climates areas it might also work. However as a general urban they tend to defuse colors to almost arid scapes.
 
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