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ACuriousPLAFan

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A model of Hudong shipyard's new home on Changxing island. Again, cross-posting from the shipbuilding thread, as this is very relevant here.

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Are those 2 075s and 2 052Ds on the right pier, 2 071s at the middle pier, and 1 075 in a drydock to the left?
 

charles18

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US Navy is in decline, from number of ship point of view, in near future, yes; from capability point of view, no.
Suppose we take all the ships in the US navy and divide it into 5 categories:
1. Aircraft carriers
2. Submarines
3. Amphibious assault
4. Surface combatants
5. Logistics
Point 1 - Aircraft carriers are not just weapons, but status symbols so the US navy is going to do everything it can to maintain their numbers.
Point 2 - There will be a slight reduction in the number of submarines especially SSBN's but nothing to be alarmed of.
Point 3 - (assuming current trends continue) there will be a 30% loss in the number of amphibious assault ships by the year 2032. Obviously this will lead to a reduction in amphibious "capability". If you wish to claim otherwise I think you owe me an "amazing" explanation.
Point 4 - There will be 17 Ticonderoga cruisers that will be retired within 5 years and they are taking their VLC's with them. The US navy's vertical launch cell capacity will decline.
Point 5 - By 2032 all remaining 15 Henry J Kaiser replenishment oilers will have reached the end of their expected service life of 35 years. Oilers play a critical role but they are not "status symbols" with supersonic fighter jets flying off their decks. It is a guarantee the US navy will not replace these ships in equal numbers.

Like I said before, "the US Navy is in decline".
 

P5678

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Suppose we take all the ships in the US navy and divide it into 5 categories:
1. Aircraft carriers
2. Submarines
3. Amphibious assault
4. Surface combatants
5. Logistics
Point 1 - Aircraft carriers are not just weapons, but status symbols so the US navy is going to do everything it can to maintain their numbers.
Point 2 - There will be a slight reduction in the number of submarines especially SSBN's but nothing to be alarmed of.
Point 3 - (assuming current trends continue) there will be a 30% loss in the number of amphibious assault ships by the year 2032. Obviously this will lead to a reduction in amphibious "capability". If you wish to claim otherwise I think you owe me an "amazing" explanation.
Point 4 - There will be 17 Ticonderoga cruisers that will be retired within 5 years and they are taking their VLC's with them. The US navy's vertical launch cell capacity will decline.
Point 5 - By 2032 all remaining 15 Henry J Kaiser replenishment oilers will have reached the end of their expected service life of 35 years. Oilers play a critical role but they are not "status symbols" with supersonic fighter jets flying off their decks. It is a guarantee the US navy will not replace these ships in equal numbers.

Like I said before, "the US Navy is in decline".

Suppose we take all the ships in the US navy and divide it into 5 categories:
1. Aircraft carriers
2. Submarines
3. Amphibious assault
4. Surface combatants
5. Logistics
Point 1 - Aircraft carriers are not just weapons, but status symbols so the US navy is going to do everything it can to maintain their numbers.
Point 2 - There will be a slight reduction in the number of submarines especially SSBN's but nothing to be alarmed of.
Point 3 - (assuming current trends continue) there will be a 30% loss in the number of amphibious assault ships by the year 2032. Obviously this will lead to a reduction in amphibious "capability". If you wish to claim otherwise I think you owe me an "amazing" explanation.
Point 4 - There will be 17 Ticonderoga cruisers that will be retired within 5 years and they are taking their VLC's with them. The US navy's vertical launch cell capacity will decline.
Point 5 - By 2032 all remaining 15 Henry J Kaiser replenishment oilers will have reached the end of their expected service life of 35 years. Oilers play a critical role but they are not "status symbols" with supersonic fighter jets flying off their decks. It is a guarantee the US navy will not replace these ships in equal numbers.

Like I said before, "the US Navy is in decline".
It is what it is, if you think USN is in decline then it is in your mind, no intention to argue as it will lead to nothing. Enjoy your conclusion, have fun, and move on.
 

luosifen

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USN should be more worried about the drop in quality of crew over the years. They've gone from keeping a USS Yorktown alive through multiple IJN airstrikes while at sea to letting USS Bon Homme Richard burn to the point it gets scrapped while at homeport even with other assets like the city's fire department assisting.

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42nd Chinese naval escort taskforce starts escort mission​


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EditorLi Wei Time2022-10-18 18:41:58


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The 42nd Chinese naval escort taskforce, composed of guided-missile destroyer Huainan, guided-missile frigate Rizhao and supply ship Kekexilihu, starts its escort mission in the Gulf of Aden. (PLAN Wechat)
BEIJING, Oct. 18 -- On the morning of October 15 local time, the 41st and 42nd Chinese naval escort taskforces held a handover ceremony in waters of the Gulf of Aden, marking the rotation of their deployments in the Gulf of Aden and the Somali waters.
During the ceremony on the guided missile destroyer Suzhou, the command post of the 41st escort taskforce introduced current hydrological and meteorological situations, piracy activities and emergency response planning in the mission area to its successor, and handed over the equipment and materials needed for future tasks. The personnel of both command posts also exchanged views on escort training, political work and logistic support.
At about 2 pm, the taskforces held a depart ceremony in the southwest waters of the Gulf of Aden. Afterward, the 42nd escort taskforce officially took over the escort mission.
 

charles18

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It is what it is, if you think USN is in decline then it is in your mind, no intention to argue as it will lead to nothing. Enjoy your conclusion, have fun, and move on.
My opinions are based on facts not feelings. You don't have to listen to me. Here is a report prepared by the "Office of the Chief of Naval Operations" if you wish to educate yourself further.
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