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Dante80

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No, it's not "no par". A warning shot is already a last resort when all attempts have been exhausted to communicate compliance which is met with non-acknowledgement and/or refusal, by which point direct fire would be warranted under maritime rules of engagement.

What's crazy is yolo-ing into another country's territorial waters, deliberately (what's JMSDF doing off the coast of Zhejiang?), then feinting ignorance by blaming it on "operational error", and expecting no serious consequences as a result.

Any competent and/or professional navy would follow the RoE to a tee. The fact the JMSDF ship got to sail back unharmed after the second last warning was due to the PLAN being competent and/or professional on the first shot, and lenient on the second shot.

Sorry this is crazy talk. The idea that PLAN should have deliberately attacked first with lethal force in peace time a foreign warship moving inside the Chinese territorial waters is bonkers. I will not dignify the rest with another answer. You seem to know fuck all about maritime rules of engagement btw.

As I said, I'm glad that PLAN once again showed that it is a professional, highly trained navy. I'm also glad the Japanese Captain got sacked for this.
 
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Helius

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Sorry this is crazy talk. The idea that PLAN should have deliberately attacked with lethal force in peace time a ship moving inside the Chinese territorial waters is bonkers. I will not dignify the rest with another answer. You know fuck all about maritime rules of engagement btw.

As I said, I'm glad that PLAN is a proffesional, highly trained navy. I'm also glad the Japanese Captain got sacked for this.
Calm down, I'm not advocating PLAN to fire on Japanese warships even if you seem to think I am by taking a passing comment so literally.

What I'm saying is any navy would be well within its rights to use direct fire (which is not the same as lethal force) after a warning shot is not being adhered to, it's literally codified in the maritime rules of engagement for most if not all navies.

What I'm sure you're arguing is that in practice no 'competent and/or professional navy' would be so 'crazy' to escalate into an actual shooting war, which I don't dispute, just like in practice no 'competent and/or professional navy' would be so 'crazy' in their provocations to risk escalation into an actual shooting war, yet here we are. If you read carefully my reply I was only commenting on the facts and that direct fire is allowed if they deem it so.
 

Blitzo

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Discussions around the DDG164 and CCG 056 SCS collision should continue at the below thread

 

by78

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An image update from Jiangnan shipyard. One 055 and three 052Ds are being fitted out in the basin. The bow of one 052D is poking out of one of the assembly halls. One more 055 is under construction next to the basin, and next to it I spot the modules for another.

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zhejang

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Seems like a 055 got pretty close to a US USV, have we heard anything from the PLAN on this?

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I don’t think so and from reading the article it seems it wasn’t a US navy USV but more so a research one that the destroyer saw and was just watching, I personally don’t think it’s much to read into honestly
 

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China Maritime Report #49: The PLAN Corruption Paradox: Insights from the 1st Destroyer Flotilla

Main Findings

- Like all organizations led by the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), the People Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) suffers from endemic corruption, defined as the personal abuse of power for selfish ends.
- Corruption occurs when PLAN leaders use their power to: 1) influence personnel decisions in exchange for money and/or favor; and 2) extract kickbacks for influencing decisions in the contracting/procurement process for equipment and materiel, construction projects, and other service requirements.
- Despite widespread corruption in the PLAN, the service has continued to grow and modernize at an astonishing rate. One explanation for this paradox is that the PLAN has strived to keep corruption from infecting the personnel selection process in operational units, which matter most for combat power generation.
- For at least two decades, the PLAN’s anti-corruption “watchdog”—the Discipline Inspection Commission—has prioritized scrutiny over those units and personnel most directly responsible for the “preparation for military struggle.”
- This top-down approach has combined with efforts by the units themselves—likely driven by the self-interest of the unit Party Committee, which must answer for poor unit performance—to enact policies to ensure that the best candidates are chosen for leadership positions.
- The case of the 1st Destroyer Flotilla illustrates policies adopted by operational units to ensure the integrity of the personnel selection process. These include formulating clear regulations stipulating minimum qualifications for leadership positions, adopting strict standards for officer evaluation, and carrying out a transparent selection process. The Flotillas’ personnel selection process entails knowledge and skills competitions judged by senior unit members and incorporates feedback and inputs from other members of the unit.
- Due to the approaches adopted by units such as the 1st Destroyer Flotilla, individuals in positions of power have less leeway to engage in corrupt behavior, thereby increasing the probability that the most capable officers (commissioned and non-commissioned) will be selected for leadership positions.
 
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