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escobar

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We would have the PRC join us if we’re operating in the South China Sea. If we left the Nine-Dash Line they would break off. Today they are a little
more persistent. They’ll stay with us a little farther. They patrol the Spratlys a little greater than they did back then. They do more coordinated exercises but, you know, they do it often by themselves
While the PLAN and VMF Pacific Fleet have been coordinating much more, this is not integrated operations.
I will note that LHA with 14 F-35Bs is much more capable than either of the PRC’s current carriers, both from a sortie creation perspective as well as just a sheer capability.
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Andy1974

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Ah this assumption of the capabilities of the F35 is really useful, see how they spread such confidence, a mere LHD with just a few F35s is enough. It’s such an ingrained belief, it supports so much, this arrogance of course is their downfall.

It will just take a single missile, at any point, to take down a single F35, operated by any partner, and all that belief will be brought sharply into question. They will realize, that actually, they have no backup or alternatives.

With all the many sensors breakthroughs we have read about this year, with orders of magnitude sensitivity improvements in IR, magnetic fields and Microwaves, as well as windows and AI processing, I think China can make a missile to defeat the F35s stealth and shoot it down with high P(k).

Edit: Maybe those Chinese magnets that are irreplaceable in each F35 do act as a homing beacon after all.

Edit 2: An even better way to induce this crisis in confidence is to “drone” an F35 from time to time, i.e. put on a drone on it’s tail, and keep it there.
 
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luosifen

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Ah this assumption of the capabilities of the F35 is really useful, see how they spread such confidence, a mere LHD with just a few F35s is enough. It’s such an ingrained belief, it supports so much, this arrogance of course is their downfall.

It will just take a single missile, at any point, to take down a single F35, operated by any partner, and all that belief will be brought sharply into question. They will realize, that actually, they have no backup or alternatives.

With all the many sensors breakthroughs we have read about this year, with orders of magnitude sensitivity improvements in IR, magnetic fields and Microwaves, as well as windows and AI processing, I think China can make a missile to defeat the F35s stealth and shoot it down with high P(k).

Edit: Maybe those Chinese magnets that are irreplaceable in each F35 do act as a homing beacon.
That LHA/LHD serving as F-35 base isn't stealth, put a few DF-17s into it and we'll see if the USN fixed their damage control game post-Bon Homme Richard.
 

daifo

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Ah this assumption of the capabilities of the F35 is really useful, see how they spread such confidence, a mere LHD with just a few F35s is enough. It’s such an ingrained belief, it supports so much, this arrogance of course is their downfall.

It will just take a single missile, at any point, to take down a single F35, operated by any partner, and all that belief will be brought sharply into question. They will realize, that actually, they have no backup or alternatives.

With all the many sensors breakthroughs we have read about this year, with orders of magnitude sensitivity improvements in IR, magnetic fields and Microwaves, as well as windows and AI processing, I think China can make a missile to defeat the F35s stealth and shoot it down with high P(k).

Edit: Maybe those Chinese magnets that are irreplaceable in each F35 do act as a homing beacon after all.

Edit 2: An even better way to induce this crisis in confidence is to “drone” an F35 from time to time, i.e. put on a drone on it’s tail, and keep it there.

Yes, it is very likely 5th gen stealth fighters with aesa and all types of battlefield networking capabilties will dominate the current onboard 3.5-4th gen j-15 w pesa in an A2A encounter. In terms of anti-ship, it will be up to the capability of the missile that is being fired. Having some Stobar capable J-35s on the older carriers will be very important in the future.

I imagine the PLAN crews are still developing best practices and not pushing high sorties to prevent accidents.
 

lcloo

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The tone of the language used by American reminds me of the mental state of "we are talking from the position of strength...". Then there was the meeting in Alaska LOL.

F35 is advance jet no doubt, but so is J20. But the LHA, as well as any other ship, operate within 1,000 km from Chinese shore is at risk of being hit by missiles.
 
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ougoah

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The magnetic component that F-35 has to use Chinese made sources of reminds me of the old western soundbyte mentioning how China "isn't able to produce a ball bearing" (which btw was false from the day that bs was spread) just because Chinese ballpoint pens import French ball bearing (Bic IIRC) due to competitive advantages. But that's akin to saying US electronics companies use Taiwanese chips because the Americans are too dumb to make chips which even China could do all on its own (albeit legacy and mature nodes until recently).
 
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