Philippines Vs Taiwan... Troubled Waters

leibowitz

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I'm not surprised but still can't believe the versions from both sides are so far apart, like night and day. This report makes it sound like there's an attempted ramming but too many variables not touched on. How far into the footage did this "near collision" take place? Before or after the shooting started? Was the PCG vessel in a head-on trajectory with the fishing boat? Or was it in front of the boat (which was on auto-pilot), both heading in the same direction? What's with the anonymous "source"?

Could be that the PCG boat cut the Taiwan boat off from home waters, and the Taiwan boat looked like it was speeding towards them because it was heading back in the direction of Taiwan?

A quick match of the logs of both boats against the video would tell the story fast. Taiwan should suggest this course of action to present the public with an impartial account of events. If PH drags its feet then PH has something to hide and should be excoriated; TW should then start tightening the screws until PH knuckles under.
 

cn_habs

Junior Member
Is it just a coincidence that China Coast Guard has cornered some Filipino marines on some artificial garrison near the Second Thomas Shoal after that fisherman's fatal shooting by the Philippines? Someone just isn't smart enough to play the chess game here...
 
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MwRYum

Major
Fun reading Filipino poster's reactions. At first they claimed the fishing boat rammed thus giving and excuse for self-defense. Now they're saying "attempted" ramming. Just like you can easily tell if a ramming occurred you can also tell the angle trajectory of the bullets found in the fishing boat. If there are no bullet holes on top of the boat, then it wasn't anywhere close to say there was an attempted ramming. From the pictures of the boat you can see bullet holes in the hull and up at the bow near the water line. You can't do that if the boat was close and trying to escape afterwards with bullet hole up front.

Lying is about the only thing the Philippines good at, even though they didn't do that good a job, especially in this case at how fast their lies got popped.

That leaves the question: if this no self-defense, why didn't the PCG "finish their work", and instead left the boat limp back, thus having such an "exhibit A" showcasing their wrongdoing? If they're at least half competent, they'd have board the boat, kill everyone and then torch the thing, let the sea consume everything, so nobody be the wiser, right?
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
Lying is about the only thing the Philippines good at, even though they didn't do that good a job, especially in this case at how fast their lies got popped.

That leaves the question: if this no self-defense, why didn't the PCG "finish their work", and instead left the boat limp back, thus having such an "exhibit A" showcasing their wrongdoing? If they're at least half competent, they'd have board the boat, kill everyone and then torch the thing, let the sea consume everything, so nobody be the wiser, right?

That's why there's the possibility that they thought it was a Mainland Chinese vessel because then all their lies would be believed regardless of any evidence against them. They certainly are trying to insert China into this incident anyway they can to deflect it away from them.
 

nemo

Junior Member
Lying is about the only thing the Philippines good at, even though they didn't do that good a job, especially in this case at how fast their lies got popped.

That leaves the question: if this no self-defense, why didn't the PCG "finish their work", and instead left the boat limp back, thus having such an "exhibit A" showcasing their wrongdoing? If they're at least half competent, they'd have board the boat, kill everyone and then torch the thing, let the sea consume everything, so nobody be the wiser, right?

Because they have already chased the boat for an hour, and Taiwanese Coast Guard may show up at anytime. When when they show up, they will have a perfectly legitimate excuse to shoot up the Filipinos if they refused to be arrested -- and Taiwanese Coast Guard have larger boats armed with auto-cannons.
 

MwRYum

Major
Because they have already chased the boat for an hour, and Taiwanese Coast Guard may show up at anytime. When when they show up, they will have a perfectly legitimate excuse to shoot up the Filipinos if they refused to be arrested -- and Taiwanese Coast Guard have larger boats armed with auto-cannons.

Chased for an hour and yet not caught up with a mere fishing boat...that introduce incompetency a whole new level.
 

leibowitz

Junior Member
Chased for an hour and yet not caught up with a mere fishing boat...that introduce incompetency a whole new level.

These guys work for the same group of law enforcement agencies whose SWAT team was unable to deal with a single gunman in a bus... you know, the kind of bus with glass windows in a 360 degree angle around it...
 

nemo

Junior Member
Chased for an hour and yet not caught up with a mere fishing boat...that introduce incompetency a whole new level.

You don't get it. To understand those guys, you need to understand the pirate mentality. They couldn't care less about law enforcement or the crew. They care more about capturing the boat intact. Shooting the engine reduce the value of the boat and it could cause a fire that result in the loss of the boat. Worse, you would have to tow the ship and that slowed you down and allow the *real* law enforcement (i.e. Taiwanese Coast Guard) to catch up. Boats usually are the whole asset and livelihood of the fishermen -- hence the ransom will not exceed the value of the boat. And if the ransom cannot be paid, then the boat is confiscated -- more for the pirates. Hence they would rather kill some of the crew to stop the boat rather than damage the boat. They are simply greedy.
 

mr.bean

Junior Member
These guys work for the same group of law enforcement agencies whose SWAT team was unable to deal with a single gunman in a bus... you know, the kind of bus with glass windows in a 360 degree angle around it...

oh god don't mention that episode again. I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw that, it was the most outrageous spectacle I have ever witnessed. if you wonder why people think the Philippines is a joke just watch that hostage rescue.
 

no_name

Colonel
You don't get it. To understand those guys, you need to understand the pirate mentality. They couldn't care less about law enforcement or the crew. They care more about capturing the boat intact. Shooting the engine reduce the value of the boat and it could cause a fire that result in the loss of the boat. Worse, you would have to tow the ship and that slowed you down and allow the *real* law enforcement (i.e. Taiwanese Coast Guard) to catch up. Boats usually are the whole asset and livelihood of the fishermen -- hence the ransom will not exceed the value of the boat. And if the ransom cannot be paid, then the boat is confiscated -- more for the pirates. Hence they would rather kill some of the crew to stop the boat rather than damage the boat. They are simply greedy.

Maybe they simply wanted to kill everyone and loot the boat - so sinking it would not be a good option. Ramming it might cause it to sink, and they can't board it while it is taking evasive maneuvers. So the best they can do is shoot it up in the hope that people on board would all be killed or overwhelmed into stopping. Then they can board the ship and do whatever they want.

After they arrested everyone who is alive they can sink the ship if they want, leaves no evidence and forcing the detained to sign documents, then publish their side of the story. The Taiwanese government won't be able to act too tough while the fishermen are still detained.

This could all start from the PH CG demanding to board the ship and search, and refused by the Taiwanese boat, for lack of a good reason on the open sea. If the families have to pay heavy fines for the detained fishermen the CG crew might gain benefit out of it.

I cannot help but think in an ugly way, there is very little other reasons to explain their actions.
I think all mainland fishing boats should have Beidou capabilities installed, Beidou allows text messages to be sent and that might mean a lot of difference in future situations like this.
 
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