Philippines Vs Taiwan... Troubled Waters

Equation

Lieutenant General
It's been almost a month since the shooting happened, and what has the TW government managed to achieve? A lot of sound and fury, very little substance.

That's why if Taiwan were a part of the Mainland you know those Filipinos Coast Guard and government would be apologizing in a heart beat.
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
That's why if Taiwan were a part of the Mainland you know those Filipinos Coast Guard and government would be apologizing in a heart beat.

But you would think Taiwan would have more leaway to act without the western media automatically bad mouthing everything they might do on principle.

If Taiwan imposed sanctions with real teeth, such as imposing their own claimed EEZ on the Philipines and policing that aggressively, the Philipines would have to back down and apologies or pretty much see its northern fishes industry wiped out.

So long as Taiwan makes it clear that they are ready to lift that imposed EEZ as soon as the Philipines apologies, pays reparations, hand over the crew of the coast guard ship that shot up the fishing boat and agree to fishes talk, its hard for anyone to objectively paint that as a land grab or Taiwan exploiting the situation because the Philipines attitude and response has been reprehensible thus far, and they only have themselves to blame if Taiwan's patients runs out and they start to show the Philipines that they mean business and are not to be jerked around with.

Sure America might get a little pissed, but its not like the above terms are unreasonable, and I think they would save the bulk of their ire for the Philipines for the epic way they have messed up and massively inflamed something that should have been pretty simple and easy to clear up had they just done the decent, and normal thing any half decent and respectable government would have done right from the start.
 

Player 0

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If America expressed any criticisms of Taiwan, it would be a gift to the KMT, demonizing America as treating Taiwan like an underling, favoring the Philippines when they are clearly in the wrong, showing that they only care about Taiwan as far as they are a political tool to hurt the Chinese and nothing beyond that.

Whether its true or not is irrelevant, but it hurts the political position of the DPP who is staunchly pro-American and Japanese.
 

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From East Asia Forum, a pretty good analysis of this situation and the wider issues in the territorial disputes and the role that should be played by the US as a diplomatic negotiator.
 

joshuatree

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From East Asia Forum, a pretty good analysis of this situation and the wider issues in the territorial disputes and the role that should be played by the US as a diplomatic negotiator.

I find it peculiar that the author believes the role of mediator should be the US and every claimant should submit to ICOJ when in 1986, the US refused to comply with the ICOJ ruling in Nicaragua vs US.
 

Equation

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I find it peculiar that the author believes the role of mediator should be the US and every claimant should submit to ICOJ when in 1986, the US refused to comply with the ICOJ ruling in Nicaragua vs US.

I would also like to quote from the article..."The United States has become hostage to the hardline policy of Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, who has used the island conflict to pander to nationalist feelings and bolster his domestic political standing."

This is very true. Abe is playing a hard line game he can't win, just because he wants to make up for his previous failures as a PM.
 

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I would also like to quote from the article..."The United States has become hostage to the hardline policy of Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, who has used the island conflict to pander to nationalist feelings and bolster his domestic political standing."

This is very true. Abe is playing a hard line game he can't win, just because he wants to make up for his previous failures as a PM.

Its part of the parcel for japanese politics, the hard right might not represent the majority of the Japanese people, but they are the loudest and hold the most clout in parliamentary politics so that's ultimately the only thing that counts to any Japanese PM, the only constituent that really matters.
 
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From East Asia Forum, a pretty good analysis of this situation and the wider issues in the territorial disputes and the role that should be played by the US as a diplomatic negotiator.

This article mentioned that the US ambassador issued the following statement. ‘we know these things will be resolved through negotiations. … We’re glad that they’re going to work these things out as democracies do’.

The full US ambassador Harry Thomas statement on May 16, 2 days after Taiwan rejected the Philippine so-called apology, was “Both the Philippines and Taiwan are long-standing friends of the US. The Philippines is a strategic ally of the US. Taiwan is a partner. And, as in all cases, we know that these things will be resolved through negotiations. We applaud President Aquino and his government’s expression of regret over this incident. the fact that they’ve agreed to an investigation… We’re glad that they’re gonna work these things out as democracies do.”

Let us be clear. Two days after the rejection of Philippine so-called apology, The US was already downplaying the murder of Taiwanese fisherman and absolving and whitewashing the responsibility of the Aquino Administration. The US government cannot be expected to act as just and responsible mediator. There was never any call for Justice from any US representative.

Philippines and Japan have more things (white-washing) in common than just being US strategic allies.
 
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More lies from the Philippines. Apparently They need more time to tamper with the PCG video.



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Legal experts at the Philippine National Bureau of Investigation say they believe the video of the fatal shooting of a Taiwan fisherman by Philippine Coast Guard may have been tampered with before they received it.

The Bureau says it doubts the authenticity of the video submitted by the Coast Guard, saying it has found signs of splicing of the video clips. The two-hour video has been cut short.

Two other sources who have seen the original video also have confirmed the splicing. Manila Bulletin says the editing of the video could be regarded as tampering with the evidence.

The Philippine Coast Guard has declined to comment. The shooing on May the ninth claimed the life of a Taiwan fisherman. Taiwan and the Philippines are carrying out a parallel investigation into the incident.
 

Jeff Head

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Legal experts at the Philippine National Bureau of Investigation say they believe the video of the fatal shooting of a Taiwan fisherman by Philippine Coast Guard may have been tampered with before they received it.

The Bureau says it doubts the authenticity of the video submitted by the Coast Guard, saying it has found signs of splicing of the video clips. The two-hour video has been cut short.

Two other sources who have seen the original video also have confirmed the splicing. Manila Bulletin says the editing of the video could be regarded as tampering with the evidence.
Perhaps you could try to demonstrate just a little objectivity here. I find your comments almost completely subjective.

The fact is, the Philipines National Bureau of Investigation is saying that their own Coast Guard tampered with the evidence and doctored and spliced the film. This is not something that helps the Philippine cause. It is something that shows that their Coast Guard is hiding more incriminating evidence than what they have admitted to.

So it follows that this announcment is not "more lies," by the Philippines to try and get more time to further tamper with the video. They have admitted that the video was tampered with and that is a significant admission. It is very damning of the Philippines Coast Guard in particular. In fact, it is a rather remarkable statement by the investigating arm of the Philippines government that ultimately will work in Taiwan's favor. As it should.

As to the so-called US "lauding" of the Philippines indication of regret. I too am glad the Philippines said they regret it. That is far better than them not indcating any remorse or sorrow at all, and gives Taiwan a much better place to start in terms of negotiations. It is not far to move from "I regret that," to "I am sorry for that."

At the same time, it is clear that the statement of regret is not enough. I know of no nation that has implied that it is. They need to issue a full apology and compensation to the family of the man they killed, and IMHO, they need to face punitive damages as well because it was their Coast Guard, an official arm of government, that did this and is now proven, by their own account, to be trying to cover it up..

The US, wisely, is NOT trying to mediate. They are not representing themselves as such, nor have they been asked.

They are sitting back and waiting and watching the two nations work this out on their own...as they should.
 
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