Philippines Vs Taiwan... Troubled Waters

mr.bean

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In the future, Philippines will face China Coast Guard like these:

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so this is what the new paint scheme will look like after the consolidation of the 4 agencies? I think it looks quite good and the new name of "china coast guard" is perfect. can't wait to see these ships out on patrol duty against the Japanese, viets and the pinoys. it will be very interesting to watch.
 
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leibowitz

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MANILA, Philippines - A daughter of the Taiwanese fisherman killed in an encounter with Philippine Coast Guard (PCG) personnel off Batanes last May 9 is preparing murder charges against those responsible for his death, a gmanews.tv report said yesterday.

This was according to Taiwanese lawyer Chih Ming Hsieh as reported by GMA News’ John Consulta on the program News to Go yesterday.

The report quoted the lawyer as saying that Hung’s daughter Tzu Chien is still trying to determine if she should file charges against the person who shot her father, or the one who ordered the shooting, or all the PCG crew of the vessel owned by the Bureau of Fisheries and Aquatic Resources (BFAR).

At the Department of Justice, Secretary Leila de Lima said there would be no consolidation of findings in the parallel investigations into the fatal shooting of the alleged Taiwanese poacher.

“While both sides can sit down and discuss their findings, it is understood that neither can impose on the other its own conclusions. That’s the essence of parallel probes as against a joint probe,” De Lima told reporters yesterday.

She was reacting to a statement from Taiwan’s International Cross-Straits Legal Affairs director Chen Wen-chen that his government would insist on criminal liability of the PCG personnel involved in the incident.

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Chen was quoted as saying that Taiwan expects no “major difference in the findings because we are looking at the same evidence.”

But for De Lima, this is not always the case.

“The conclusions of both teams may be exactly the same, or the same in certain respects but different in other aspects, or entirely different, depending on each team’s assessment or appreciation of the overall facts and evidence,” she explained.

Probe ends today?

Meanwhile, National Bureau of Investigation (NBI) and Taiwanese authorities are expected to conclude today their respective investigations done in each other’s country.

In Manila, Taiwanese prosecutors and investigators again viewed yesterday video footage of the incident.

Earlier, they inspected the BFAR-owned MCS 3001 vessel and completed a ballistic examination of the firearms used by PCG personnel, including eight M-16 rifles, six M-14 rifles and a machine gun.

NBI deputy director for regional operations services Virgilio Mendez said the visiting team would be ready to go back to Taipei tonight.

In Taipei, the NBI team led by foreign liaison division chief head agent Daniel Deganzo inspected the Taiwanese fishing vessel Guang Ta Hsin 28 at the Kaohshiung port.

They had also interviewed the companions of Hung as well as his daughter.

Earlier, Taiwanese authorities rejected a request from the NBI team to re-autopsy the remains of Hung.

At the House of Representatives, the Taiwanese can count on sympathy from the opposition leader. Officials of the Taipei Economic and Cultural Office (TECO) met yesterday with House Minority Leader Quezon Rep. Danilo Suarez who vowed to look into the matter while scoring President Aquino for his belated apology for the death of Hung.

“They said it is not an isolated case or incidental. They called it a cold-blooded killing,” Suarez said of the TECO officials’ view of the May 9 incident.

“The minority is fully behind the parallel investigations on the sea mishap between our countries,” Suarez told the TECO group led by David Chen.

“Whatever diplomatic issues might have been behind the shooting, the loss of a life should have been another matter which should have prompted our government to have been quick on the hips in drawing out an apology,” Suarez said.

He said the opposition bloc is awaiting the results of the government investigation. – With Edu Punay, Paolo Romero, Rey Galupo, Evelyn Macairan
 

Jeff Head

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"Earlier, they inspected the BFAR-owned MCS 3001 vessel and completed a ballistic examination of the firearms used by PCG personnel, including eight M-16 rifles, six M-14 rifles and a machine gun."

They used all of those weapons in the attack? Seems like most every crew member who could get topside to shoot was firing a weapon. IMHO, sounds like it got completely out of control. Particularly at a fishing boat that was not firing back.

sickening.
 

mr.bean

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"Earlier, they inspected the BFAR-owned MCS 3001 vessel and completed a ballistic examination of the firearms used by PCG personnel, including eight M-16 rifles, six M-14 rifles and a machine gun."

They used all of those weapons in the attack? Seems like most every crew member who could get topside to shoot was firing a weapon. IMHO, sounds like it got completely out of control. Particularly at a fishing boat that was not firing back.

sickening.

just watched a news clip report about this. apparently of the nine crew on board the Philippine coast guard ship, 8 of them were firing weapons on the Taiwan fishing boat! absolutely outrageous.
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
just watched a news clip report about this. apparently of the nine crew on board the Philippine coast guard ship, 8 of them were firing weapons on the Taiwan fishing boat! absolutely outrageous.

Of course, somebody has to steer the ship while chasing after the Taiwanese fishing boat, while the 8 other lucky bastards get to fire off their weapons.
 

MwRYum

Major
just watched a news clip report about this. apparently of the nine crew on board the Philippine coast guard ship, 8 of them were firing weapons on the Taiwan fishing boat! absolutely outrageous.

And with the kind of firepower they throw at the unarmed fishing boat...well let's just say it's hardly self-defense by any sane definition.
 

joshuatree

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Philippine Coast Guard personnel were quoted as having told Taiwanese investigators that the Taiwanese fishing boat the Kuang Ta Hsing No. 28 neither rammed nor collided with their patrol vessel in the incident on May 9 during which a Taiwanese fisherman was killed.

Taiwan’s questioning of three staff members of the Philippine Bureau of Fisheries and Aquatic Resources and eight Philippine Coast Guard officers began on Wednesday and continued yesterday.

The Philippine officials also reportedly said the commander of their ship ordered the coast guard to open fire on the Taiwanese boat when it did not obey a warning to leave what they said was the Philippines’ exclusive economic zone (EEZ)......

If the commander's order is true, then there is no self-defense pretext for firing.
 

AssassinsMace

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Fun reading Filipino poster's reactions. At first they claimed the fishing boat rammed thus giving and excuse for self-defense. Now they're saying "attempted" ramming. Just like you can easily tell if a ramming occurred you can also tell the angle trajectory of the bullets found in the fishing boat. If there are no bullet holes on top of the boat, then it wasn't anywhere close to say there was an attempted ramming. From the pictures of the boat you can see bullet holes in the hull and up at the bow near the water line. You can't do that if the boat was close and trying to escape afterwards with bullet hole up front.
 

joshuatree

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MANILA, Philippines—Taiwanese investigators in Manila reportedly became emotional while watching a video of the encounter between the Philippine Coast Guard (PCG) and a Taiwanese fishing vessel in the waters off the northern Philippines that resulted in the shooting death of a Taiwanese fisherman.

“Some of them cried and others uttered ‘it’s excessive,’” said the source who asked not to be named for lack of authority to speak on the parallel probe of the May 9 incident by Taiwanese and Philippine investigators working in both Taipei and Manila.

The source said several PCG personnel were shown in the video shooting at the Taiwanese vessel, the Kuang Ta Hsing No. 28. Fisherman Hung Shih-cheng, 65, was killed.

The source described the video as close to two hours and showing the earlier activities of the boat, the MCS-3001, jointly manned by the PCG and the Bureau of Fisheries and Aquatic Resources (BFAR).

The footage, taken by one of the PCG personnel, showed that the Taiwanese fishing boat “sped toward the MCS-3001 and the two boats almost collided,” the source said.....

In Taipei, Philippine investigators examined on Wednesday the Taiwanese fishing boat involved in the fatal shooting, collecting samples from the bow of the vessel after discovering minor damage there, the China Post reported Thursday.....

I'm not surprised but still can't believe the versions from both sides are so far apart, like night and day. This report makes it sound like there's an attempted ramming but too many variables not touched on. How far into the footage did this "near collision" take place? Before or after the shooting started? Was the PCG vessel in a head-on trajectory with the fishing boat? Or was it in front of the boat (which was on auto-pilot), both heading in the same direction? What's with the anonymous "source"?
 
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