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Andy1974 said:

If this is true, and Pakistan inducts J-35 first and then J-31 then it could be an efficient way of building a land and a carrier capable force, if Pakistan would then acquire a carrier of some sorts, even with a ramp like Turkeys latest design, or a Type 076E. They could even join Turkeys carrier program.

I could imagine something like this..

1. Pakistani buys and inducts 24 J-35s
2. Pakistan later buys and inducts 24-48 J-31s
3. Pakistan buys a medium sized carrier with a ramp or a EM catapult.

They probably already have the surface ships and subs to make this a powerful CBG, especially in the Arabian Sea, without spending too much more than what is listed above. This seems like an efficient way to induct Chinas stealth fighters into your national forces.

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phrozenflame said:

There is zero need for carrier or carrier capable force in Pakistan.

[1] It serves absolutely no purpose other than bhang-induced fan-fiction
[2] Liability and big strain on budget
[3] Tying up assets defending a white-elephant asset, negatively impacting the actual defense.

Overall, J-31s seem to be the path of least resistance for PAF in terms of acquiring 5th generation fighters. J-35s only serve one purpose for Pakistan and that is to maturize a good % of tech and components to be used in J-31s as they will naturally share alot of components and tech. J-35s seem to be of higher priority for China at this point in time than J-31s. However, I dont think it'll be huge problem pumping out 2-3 squadrons of J-31s for PAF by the manufacturer on an export order. J-35s production orders arent going to be as massive as J-10s or J-20s, so J-31 orders will only help add economies of scale. It will also mean that handful of AMCAs that India will have upto 2040 will be deployed on western borders primarily. Hence, it's a win-win economically and geopolitically for both Pakistan and China. Anyway, there is also no urgent need for J-31s before 2035 if we are being optimisitic about AMCA timelines. Infact, the lack of urgency is even more helpful, it will allow more time for J-35s to mature out as China would iron out and optimize the platform as it happens with any new asset.

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aahyan said:

After 2015, the Navy has received a lot of attention, as evidenced by the list below, and is now developing into a formidable force in Arabian Sea & Indian Ocean, giving PN a new look.

For the time being, a medium-sized carrier with an air arm does not fit under the PN doctrine (maybe possible post 2035) because the emphasis is currently on surface/sub-surface and anti-sub domains. Recently PAF has relocated a squadron (Haider) of JF17-III to Masroor base in Karachi in order to provide air cover.

IMO instead of purchasing J35, PAF, should lease a few to familiarize themselves with new technologies and systems until J31 becomes available, as PN did with the Yuan class.
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Andy1974 said:

If this is true, and Pakistan inducts J-35 first and then J-31 then it could be an efficient way of building a land and a carrier capable force, if Pakistan would then acquire a carrier of some sorts, even with a ramp like Turkeys latest design, or a Type 076E. They could even join Turkeys carrier program.

I could imagine something like this..

1. Pakistani buys and inducts 24 J-35s
2. Pakistan later buys and inducts 24-48 J-31s
3. Pakistan buys a medium sized carrier with a ramp or a EM catapult.

They probably already have the surface ships and subs to make this a powerful CBG, especially in the Arabian Sea, without spending too much more than what is listed above. This seems like an efficient way to induct Chinas stealth fighters into your national forces.

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Andy1974 said:

I agree, the carrier only makes sense if Pakistan already has the J-35 fully in service, which was the rumor we were talking about.

It’s very intriguing precisely because it is carrier capable. Any coastal country could buy J-35 (if they are for sale), and they will always have the option of landing that aircraft on a carrier at sea, which might be very useful in the future.

Personally, I do hope Pakistan gets J-31 and more J-10C and I hope the speed of delivery surprises us.

EDIT: I think Pakistan needs 2 carriers, one for the South and one for the East of India. Perhaps, they could add a couple of 076’s onto Chinas presumed batch order of them, which should be pretty good value for money and also fast delivery.

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_killuminati_ said:

If any need actually exists, it'd probably be better to build an airbase in Oman to project whatever power at sea. Aircraft carrier is useless for Pakistan who isn't involved in any adventures/conflicts beyond the proximity of it's borders.

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Equation said:

But I think a type 075 or tpye 076 can be useful for Pakistan. It provide the mission flexibility to whatever their military doctrine they have.

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phrozenflame said:

Pakistan has no need to project power all that way, nor that is the doctrine of PN.

The primary mission is to ensure there is no naval blockade.


Pray tell us what you expect PN to use Type 075 or 076 for? Land in Mumbai for an experience of unique scents and smells? Andaman islands perhaps for a picnic? Cmon.

The doctrine is to ensure there is no naval blockade by IN. Hence those ships are not required.

Guys, if we are being speculative, can we do that around known facts and doctrines.

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Andy1974 said:

Has the CPEC impacted Pakistans naval doctrine in anyway? They are jointly responsible for the trade routes security are they not? And does this not extent to missions beyond blockade prevention? I think it does.

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Deino said:

Can we come back to reality?
There is NO chance, NONE at all that Pakistan will get an aircraft carrier, a Type 076 or a retired Type 001/002 carrier from China!

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