Olympics 2024 - discussion thread

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
In general China doesn't have the culture to foster sports athletes. First of all Mao considered it Western and therefore bad. That's why Chinese don't look athletic in appearance. Then there's where's the motivation for Chinese to want to succeed at a sport? The way it is now there's authorities that go around to like schools and they spot children who fits a certain physical type or they're seen doing a specific skill that they believe would be good at certain sports. Then there's how the Chinese don't have a celebrity culture. If you think about it, being good at sports doesn't help you advanced in life. You can be good at a sport but it doesn't mean you can make money from it. That's where the celebrity culture comes in. The nature of celebrity is that only the fewest people possible could every attain it because the more people that become a celebrity, the more it gets diluted and is less valuable. The more famous you are, the more you get. The less famous you are, the less you get. A society can use a million engineers. A society doesn't need a million celebrities. So what's the chance of you becoming a celebrity because you're good at a sport? Not good. That's why it's frowned upon in Chinese/Asian cultures because they don't want to waste their lives on being something where chances are you're not going to succeed. The US having and valuing a celebrity culture is also why Americans are graduating less and less engineers and scientists. But because they value celebrity, they're willing to take the risk just to get the reward at the end.
 

valysre

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China should send more athletes to match the number of the US. If needed the government should invest more money in facilities and financial support for athletes. They can build one or two fewer type 055 destroyers to finance it and nobody would mind or notice.
Maybe China could also dedicate PLA exercise time to gymnastics and other activities to find hidden talents in the PLA's sizable force? Absurd suggestion.
 

Randomuser

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I have said I didn't like this Olympics since it's mainly a repeat of Tokyo with crappier results.

There is one thing though. There is a breakthrough in women's tennis and of course swimming at the highest levels. It means China no longer needs to just stick to Ping Pong or Badminton. It wants to take the fight to the wests domain.

This however is a work in progress. Whether I will be alive to see it bear fruit remains to be seen.

It reflects China 's current state. Going from being low value stuff to taking control of the most important things to the world. A work in progress. Wonder what I will see while I'm still alive.
 

kentchang

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I have said I didn't like this Olympics since it's mainly a repeat of Tokyo with crappier results.

There is one thing though. There is a breakthrough in women's tennis and of course swimming at the highest levels. It means China no longer needs to just stick to Ping Pong or Badminton. It wants to take the fight to the wests domain.

This however is a work in progress. Whether I will be alive to see it bear fruit remains to be seen.

It reflects China 's current state. Going from being low value stuff to taking control of the most important things to the world. A work in progress. Wonder what I will see while I'm still alive.

You must be either very old ready to die or you are just a very negative/pessimistic person. Not a fun way to live a life.
 

sunnymaxi

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This is the image of China in the 21st century..

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Long Live the Motherland ..
 

Randomuser

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This is the image of China in the 21st century..

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Long Live the Motherland ..
Guess that's the story of this Olympics for a China. Maybe that's even more important than gold count. After all there's always next time but theres only a few milestone achievements.

Right now the Philippines have two golds in one Olympics. Before they got one from weightlifting in Tokyo. Before they had Zero. All it took was one milestone to change Philippines forever.

Lets see what happens next Olympics
 
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Lethe

Captain
If US is involving itself politically and WADA is innocent of being an US mouthpiece, they should prove it by sanctioning US athletes [....]
Because of that, I do not believe IOC/WADA will correctly report US cheating, which that makes them complicit until proven otherwise. A compromised judge's words and rulings can't be taken at face value.

WADA does not sanction athletes. Adverse Analytical Findings (AAFs) i.e. positive tests, are recorded by either National Anti-Doping Organisations (NADOs) such as CHINADA or USADA, or international sporting federations such as World Aquatics (formerly FINA), and reported to WADA. These organisations subsequently investigate the circumstances of the AAF, issue provisional suspensions and, if appropriate, record an Anti-Doping Rule Violation (ADRV) with formal sanctions. In this process WADA plays an advisory, supervisory, and coordinating role only. If WADA is not satisfied with how the relevant authority has handled the case, they have the opportunity to appeal the outcome to the Court of Arbitration for Sport, which ultimately appeals to the Federal Supreme Court of Switzerland.

In the TMZ 23 case, Washington believes, amongst other things, that WADA (and World Aquatics) have demonstrated either incompetence or bias by accepting CHINADA's hypothesis that the 23 swimmers were inadvertently exposed to Trimetadizine via environmental contamination, and therefore recording no ADRV or sanction against them. WADA and World Aquatics could individually or collectively have exercised their right to appeal that determination to CAS but, following their own investigations and dialogue with CHINADA, each chose not to do so.

So, to reiterate, WADA cannot issue sanctions against American athletes nor against any other athletes. But WADA has certainly exercised its right to appeal determinations from USADA and international sporting federations regarding American athletes to CAS in the past:

2018:
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(dismissed)
2012:
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(upheld)
2011:
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(upheld)
2009:
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(dismissed)

I'm sure there are others if you want to keep trawling further through the archives. In each of these cases WADA is appealing the decision of a NADO or sporting federation not to impose sanctions (or to impose only limited sanctions) on an American athlete following an AAF. In June, WADA said it was
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appealing a recent determination not to sanction American athlete Erriyon Knighton, just as it previously considered appealing CHINADA's determination in relation to China's TMZ 23.
 
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