Olympics 2024 - discussion thread

[manqiangrexue]

It boils down to health information privacy. Gender related information seems to be a touchy subject around the world. The IBA is notorious for being corrupt, if they have a legitimate case they can easily publish the report on why those athletes were disqualified, the fact that they haven't shows that they do not have a strong case vs the IOC.

No, the same thing as I said before. There are 2 "female athletes" who look like men. One agency has disqualified them for gender reasons. The other one has accepted them. The genetic information is not disclosed. People don't get DQ'd for gender for no reason. It's the IOC being too lax.

Genetically speaking, there is only 1 situation in which they can be cleared and that's if all the tests have been run and there is nothing that differentiates them from normal women. I doubt this is the case or there could never have been a disqualification in the first place by any agency.

In genetics, we are all set on the path to become women when we are conceived. Androgens produced by genes active on the Y chromosome will pull males apart from the path to become female onto the path to become male. If a person is XY with a female phenotype, it means that either the production of those androgens have been stalled or that the receptors making the body react to them have been mutated. In this case, they may be inactive, resulting in a pure female phenotype or they may be partially active resulting in an ambigious phenotype when that path is pulled towards the male path but not completely there. The latter is the case with the 2 athletes in contention. There is also the case of an XX female who is obviously masculine and has very high levels of androgens. Shouldn't this person be allowed to compete as a female because she's XX? No. Because the reason she has these abnormally high levels is because she has a part of a Y chromosome inside her X chromosome! When her father's gametes underwent meiosis, during recombination, part of his Y recombined onto his X and that X was passed onto her. So she is still partially male. Because we are all by default female at conception, there is virtually no situation where a true female can come to resemble a male as that would require multiple "gain of function" mutations that mysteriously start to produce specifical hormones that are NOT in her genome to produce.

 

[RedMetalSeadramon]

Then they need to disclose what conditions they have so there can be a public and transparent decision can be made. You're essentially saying these "women" look like men, have been rejected by the IBA for not being women, but we should agree with the IOC despite no genetic information being avialable.

LOL It means nothing. There are women out there who can beat men. There have been tennis matches where women beat men. Does that mean there should be no gender distinction in tennis?

Whether they are invincible has nothing to do with the debate. A woman can be invincible and she should be allowed. However, someone who is not a genetic woman should not be allowed to compete with women even if he loses every match.

For practical purposes a women's role in reproduction is:

• Contribute genetic material (an egg)
• Incubate the fetus to maturity(pregnancy and birth)

If this Imane individual is as they say, have womb, vagina and presumed eggs all functional, then for all practical purposes the women's role is fulfilled. This is now in my opinion a woman with the wrong chromosomes(assume that was the "test") rather than a man with the wrong reproductive parts.

 

[grulle]

Pan is officially the fastest 100 freestyle swimmer in the history of the world.

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[Eventine]

China should send more athletes to match the number of the US. If needed the government should invest more money in facilities and financial support for athletes. They can build one or two fewer type 055 destroyers to finance it and nobody would mind or notice.

I'm sorry, what? That has to be the most brain dead take I've ever heard.

The Olympics is a WESTERN CULTURAL EVENT, created by the GREEKS. Why should China care so much about it?

It'd be better for China to stop giving a **** about Western cultural events; and to work towards creating more events that are truly global or Chinese cultural. As long as you allow yourself to be judged by the standards of others, you will always be second class.

 

[Randomuser]

Bronze for womens 4 X 100m medley, it was neck and neck between AU/CN/CA, USA lead was monsterous.

Whatever stuff Pan Zhanle did, it needs to be applied to the female team.

I can't believe a 19 year old kid is a symbol of China giving the finger to the west.

 

[coolgod]

Chinese Gen z.

 

[PandaAI]

Pan is officially the fastest 100 freestyle swimmer in the history of the world.

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I remember that Jason Lezak swim. That was that freestyle relay race in Beijing 2008 where the French swimmer trashed talked the Americans and choked in the final.

Pan going under 46 seconds is historic. Pan delivering not just one but two middle fingers. This man is a hero! Should be carrying the flag at the closing ceremony.

 

[manqiangrexue]

For practical purposes a women's role in reproduction is:

• Contribute genetic material (an egg)
• Incubate the fetus to maturity(pregnancy and birth)

If this Imane individual is as they say, have womb, vagina and presumed eggs all functional, then for all practical purposes the women's role is fulfilled. This is now in my opinion a woman with the wrong chromosomes(assume that was the "test") rather than a man with the wrong reproductive parts.

But to be a woman and compete as one, you need to be a woman with the right chromosomes. This is an instance where everything on the list should be checked to get the green light, NOT where majority rules.

And also, an XY with a female phenotype may be able to reproduce but with IVF aid. Fertility is not the issue as infertile women can compete.

China should send more athletes to match the number of the US. If needed the government should invest more money in facilities and financial support for athletes. They can build one or two fewer type 055 destroyers to finance it and nobody would mind or notice.

No. Never sacrifice real hard power for games.

 

[sndef888]

 

[CMP]

China should send more athletes to match the number of the US. If needed the government should invest more money in facilities and financial support for athletes. They can build one or two fewer type 055 destroyers to finance it and nobody would mind or notice.

Biggest clown take I've ever seen.