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Kasumi Ishikawa, from wiki:
As she is fluent in
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which she learned from Chinese coaches, her popularity has also extended to China. When she opened a
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account in 2016, she gained over 60,000 followers on the first day.
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All goes down the wasteland now!

She is charming, btw.
 

manqiangrexue

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Ma Long has canceled that Japanese lady. Any wish that they will have a relationship can take a rest now.
OK, if they met and got into a relationship before Ma Long met his wife, that would have been a hell of a love story between the captains of two of the strongest teams in the world but now, it would be disgusting. Ma Long dump his wife and son for a Japanese woman? I would never wish this.
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Why are they so angry about Hina Hayata visiting the Kamikaze museum? Japanese pilots sacrificing their lives to defend against America's naval offensive is hardly any war crime but actually impressive combat spirit. Or is something more devious on display inside?
Good points and I really don't know too much at all about them-except Ma is a great player as for her one word...."kamikaze"-"as long as she destroys Ma ,who cares -she'll be treated like a hero in Japan with sideways snickering at all the Chinese women for not keeping their man .Now hopefully she'll fade away into spinsterhood and obscurity.BTW why would any tennis player/athlete visits these shrine and be photographed praying for the past Nippon glories-they're not history buffs I'll guarantee that.
Ok that's just unecessary. If China's top ranking female table tennis player went to Japan to play homewrecker on Japan's men's team captain, would you hail her a hero? Or would the whole thing just be gross?
 

vincent

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Why are they so angry about Hina Hayata visiting the Kamikaze museum? Japanese pilots sacrificing their lives to defend against America's naval offensive is hardly any war crime but actually impressive combat spirit. Or is something more devious on display inside?
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In recent years, efforts by the museum to have the pilots' last letters recognized as a UNESCO World Heritage Memory of the World have sparked concern among Japan's neighbors, particularly China and South Korea. These countries view such attempts as part of a broader effort to portray Japan as a victim of the war rather than an aggressor.
 

coolgod

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Why are they so angry about Hina Hayata visiting the Kamikaze museum? Japanese pilots sacrificing their lives to defend against America's naval offensive is hardly any war crime but actually impressive combat spirit. Or is something more devious on display inside?
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TBS cut that section of her interview. China, South Korea and the US all have problems with that museum that honour kamakazi pilots, it has a lot of revisionist histories, just many other WWII "museums" in Japan.
 

manqiangrexue

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In recent years, efforts by the museum to have the pilots' last letters recognized as a UNESCO World Heritage Memory of the World have sparked concern among Japan's neighbors, particularly China and South Korea. These countries view such attempts as part of a broader effort to portray Japan as a victim of the war rather than an aggressor.
I'm just not seeing the offensive part and I did open your link to read it. Pretty much everything the Japanese did in WWII was horrible and wrong. But when the US navy was advancing on Japan, the actions of these pilots to sacrifice their lives in defense of their homeland was heroic. Or else, what is a young man to do when his country is on the verge of destruction? I only hope that China's young men are this brave should they ever need to be. From their letters, they did not die with thoughts of slaughtering or raping civilians or conquering lands; they died with thoughts of providing a final service to their country and their families. These are the actions of the best of the best in young men; to disagree would be to assert that those who turn their backs on their homes and flee are in the right. The museum focuses on this one aspect of Japan's fight, the part where they fought defensively with vulnerability and fear rather than with the predatory intent that characterized their invasion of Asia. If that is all this museum is about, I would have to disagree with even China's assessment.
 
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manqiangrexue

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I think manqiangrexue hasn't visited one of these "museums" before and haven't seen first hand how they present their revisionist history.
Heeeeelll no I haven't visited one of these places and I ain't never gonna. Shit, you'll never find a picture of my ass in front of a Japanese shrine and get me fired from my job and all my Wechat contacts blocked. You try photoshopping my picture into one with a Japanese shrine/museum and the image will disappear like you snapped a shot of a vampire.

Have you visited one?
 

coolgod

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Heeeeelll no I haven't visited one of these places and I ain't never gonna. Shit, you'll never find a picture of my ass in front of a Japanese shrine and get me fired from my job and all my Wechat contacts blocked. You try photoshopping my picture into one with a Japanese shrine/museum and the image will disappear like you snapped a shot of a vampire.

Have you visited one?
I've visited the peace museums in Hiroshima and there was definitely whitewashing of WWII going on. The shrines worshipping war criminals are scattered everywhere in Japan though. Especially the Gokoku Shrines (护国神社) in each locality which were also name and shamed by CCTV.

I just checked the list of shrines and found out that I walked by the Hiroshima Gokoku Shrine before as it was just in the Hiroshima Castle Compound :(. While searching through my google photos yesterday I also discovered one of my previous Japanese close colleague was a Japanese far right nationalist since his goshuincho (shrine stamp book/passport) contained a stamp of that infamous Yasukuni-jinja 靖国神社.
 

valysre

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I'm just not seeing the offensive part and I did open your link to read it. Pretty much everything the Japanese did in WWII was horrible and wrong. But when the US navy was advancing on Japan, the actions of these pilots to sacrifice their lives in defense of their homeland was heroic. Or else, what is a young man to do when his country is on the verge of destruction? I only hope that China's young men are this brave should they ever need to be. From their letters, they did not die with thoughts of slaughtering or raping civilians or conquering lands; they died with thoughts of providing a final service to their country and their families. These are the actions of the best of the best in young men; to disagree would be to assert that those who turn their backs on their homes and flee are in the right. The museum focuses on this one aspect of Japan's fight, the part where they fought defensively with vulnerability and fear rather than with the predatory intent that characterized their invasion of Asia. If that is all this museum is about, I would have to disagree with even China's assessment.
It's one thing to honor the fallen dead, but you will find that "some" of these museums will suggest that "these brave honorable men valiantly gave their lives in courageous kamikaze attacks to desperately protect their innocent and peaceful homeland from the violent and unjustifiable depredations of an unprovoked America." Or something similar. Japanese might have different rhetorical patterns from English.
 
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