Olympics 2024 - discussion thread

[manqiangrexue]

Are the new sports permanent or just demonstration sports like breakdancing?

Demo

 

[tankphobia]

Honestly having new sports every Olympic is not a bad idea since it broadens the appeal of the event, sport climbing is a good example of a sport that was initially a demo that became very successful.

However the fact that it's used to move medal tally into advantage for the host nation is against the intended purpose. Saying that is there any sport that China would benefit from by adding to the Olympics? Seems like the low hanging fruit of ping pong and badminton is already fully exploited. Chinese chess/ Go?

 

[Petrolicious88]

Exactly the continuation of what I exactly just said, attempting to muddle the situation when it's clear that the US is the perpetrator. The justification: How can anyone be that great without PED's? Same "logic" as used by the Australian swim coach. China tested negative 21 times per person? Still positive; as long as there is undeniable evidence that the US is positive, let's just say we're all positive LOL

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"On Wednesday, WADA told Reuters that it has learned of three cases between 2011 and 2014 where USADA allowed athletes who had been caught breaking doping rules to continue competing in exchange for information on other violators.

WADA said the higher-profile athlete’s case “was never published, results never disqualified, prize money never returned, and no suspension ever served.”

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USADA's only mission is to cover American doping while making mountains out of molehills when China has any incident even when it was fully investigated and found to be no violation. China is put under a microscope at all times; we took 3-4 times more doping tests; we took them in the middle of the night before competition disturbing our sleep; our girl had to fight a man in boxing; and we still tied the US for gold.

I personally don't care if athletes dope. US is doing it more, China is doing it less, poorer countries with little resources doing none.

But elite athletes competing at the highest level all use PEDs at some point. As these cocktails become harder to detect, it places even more pressure on athletes to use them. If you don't, someone else will.

 

[manqiangrexue]

I personally don't care if athletes dope.

It's not a personal preference; it's the globally-accepted rules of the game.

US is doing it more, China is doing it less,

US is doing it way way more with a deep organizational effort while CHINADA handles all cases with professionalism.

poorer countries with little resources doing none.

Don't make it look like the US did it more because it's richer. India's poor as shit and they have the highest positve rates of anyone by far. It's not a money issue; it's an integrity issue and the US has none.

But elite athletes competing at the highest level all use PEDs at some point. As these cocktails become harder to detect, it places even more pressure on athletes to use them. If you don't, someone else will.

There you go again. Direct evidence from WADA says US; you somehow translate that to "everyone." It's as funny as a convicted thief saying everyone steals and if he didn't steal, others would have stolen it.

 

[manqiangrexue]

Honestly having new sports every Olympic is not a bad idea since it broadens the appeal of the event, sport climbing is a good example of a sport that was initially a demo that became very successful.

However the fact that it's used to move medal tally into advantage for the host nation is against the intended purpose. Saying that is there any sport that China would benefit from by adding to the Olympics? Seems like the low hanging fruit of ping pong and badminton is already fully exploited. Chinese chess/ Go?

Wushu forms (many weapons forms and animal forms), Sanshou, dragon boat (? someone else said that one). Chess is a no-go; it's not a physical sport.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Honestly having new sports every Olympic is not a bad idea since it broadens the appeal of the event, sport climbing is a good example of a sport that was initially a demo that became very successful.

However the fact that it's used to move medal tally into advantage for the host nation is against the intended purpose. Saying that is there any sport that China would benefit from by adding to the Olympics? Seems like the low hanging fruit of ping pong and badminton is already fully exploited. Chinese chess/ Go?

IDK, most traditional Chinese sports like archery and wrestling are there under different rulesets. SK is doing well in archery for some odd reason.

Funniest thing is how China has better gun shooting results than some gun obsessed countries.

 

[Petrolicious88]

It's not a personal preference; it's the globally-accepted rules of the game.

US is doing it way way more with a deep organizational effort while CHINADA handles all cases with professionalism.

Don't make it look like the US did it more because it's richer. India's poor as shit and they have the highest positve rates of anyone by far. It's not a money issue; it's an integrity issue and the US has none.

Integrity involves right and wrong. And this is a ruthless game of geopolitics, and I hate to see it being dragged into the Olympics. There is no right and wrong. Winner takes all. These proxy wars determine who gets rich and who stays poor. Expect a lot of shady moves at the LA Games for sure.

And this is only the beginning. During the height of the Cold War, Soviets and CIA sabotaged, assassinated, kidnapped, etc... this game is not made for those with a conscious.

There you go again. Direct evidence from WADA says US; you somehow translate that to "everyone." It's as funny as a convicted thief saying everyone steals and if he didn't steal, others would have stolen it.

If everyone steals, is it still a crime. If stealing it gives you an advantage to destroy your competition, and it's hard to get caught, would you not steal.

 

[sndef888]

Wushu forms (many weapons forms and animal forms), Sanshou, dragon boat (? someone else said that one). Chess is a no-go; it's not a physical sport.

Dragonboat is the most justifiable (well developed internationally) and highest potential number of events

Men's 20 seater 200m, 500m, 1000m, 2000m
Women's 20 seater 200m, 500m, 1000m, 2000m
Men's 10 seater 200m, 500m, 1000m, 2000m
Women's 10 seater 200m, 500m, 1000m, 2000m
Drifting 200m, 500m, 1000m, 2000m

Easily 20 events right there

 

[manqiangrexue]

Integrity involves right and wrong. And this is a ruthless game of geopolitics, and I hate to see it being dragged into the Olympics. There is no right and wrong. Winner takes all. These proxy wars determine who gets rich and who stays poor.

And this is only the beginning. During the height of the Cold War, Soviets and CIA sabotaged, assassinated, kidnapped, etc... this game is not made for those with a conscious.

Woowwww that is stupid. You have confused a sporting event with the actual struggle in determining global power. The latter is an all-out effort no holds barred fight and that is where Chinese technology is overtaking Western technology regardless of what happens at any sporting event. Sports change nothing; they are just entertainment. 1 gold medal, 100 gold medals, no gold medals, a country chugs on economically and technologically unaffected. Cheating in sports shows pettiness and lack of integrity. Cheating in the global power struggle... well, there's no such thing because that's real life dominance where all is fair.

Even by your logic, the US still screwed up horrendously. Now WADA's testimony of American cheating is all over the world. Regardless of what you want or think, most people, even Americans, do not respect medals won by doping. So to that effect, this "ruthlessness" has backfired if it was for the purpose of prestige. Now all over the world, people call the US the asthma/ADHD team. That's what cheating in sports gets you.

If everyone steals, is it still a crime.

If it's true. Not if you assume, contrary to evidence, that others stole just because you stole.

If stealing it gives you an advantage to destroy your competition, and it's hard to get caught, would you not steal.

Don't project your disgusting moral principles on me. All is fair in love and war; nobody said all is fair in sports. I give it all I've got where it matters but I don't cheat in games for entertainment. How American of you to just assume that others like me are lowly and petty like you.

 

[FriedRiceNSpice]

Don't make it look like the US did it more because it's richer. India's poor as shit and they have the highest positve rates of anyone by far. It's not a money issue; it's an integrity issue and the US has none.

Could be India is just bad at doping (doing it in a way that is more easily caught) rather than India doing it more. US likely doing it more and just getting away with it more (through combination of better/newer substances/regimens and political pressure/corruption).