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solarz

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So what's your point?

The most dangerous stage for any revolution is always the beginning. The very people you're trying to free would often attack you in fear of the unknown. Strong resolve and leadership is critial at this stage to break through the old paradigms. The Hong Kong people can not be trusted at this time to make good sound judgements because they're fearful and misguided. The people may not say it, but it doesn't mean the OC isn't what's good for them in the long run.

Please tell me you're being sarcastic...
 

SinoSoldier

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The protesters are assuming that they're working under the "magic button mandate" I alluded to earlier. It's assumed that the general population is too afraid of the consequences to show their true feelings. Therefore the protesters act as the sacrifice on the altar of freedom for all Hong Kong. The people against occupy are misguided and the more they resist, the more OC need to stand firm. For even the good of the people protesting against OC.

"What's good" and what's not aren't decided by a single individual or even a noticeable minority, especially when the opposition outweighs them in number. And no single person has the right to speak of the "true feelings" of the rather-silent majority.
 

MwRYum

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Please tell me you're being sarcastic...

That's the true colours of "the true believer", not being sarcastic. If you stick around at the "cyber frontline" for a bit (you need to know Chinese, particularly Cantonese, of course), you'd know what I mean.

In essence, they've been indoctrinated with such "Master Race mentality", thus any further attempt to talk with them is useless. Any further discussion with them lot would first require some form of de-programming.
 

AssassinsMace

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I thought Jimmy Lai owned Apple Daily. Why would he resign just because he was arrested at a pro-democracy site? Is there some illegality going on with Jimmy Lai beyond these protests not being mention beyond the region?
 

delft

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I thought Jimmy Lai owned Apple Daily. Why would he resign just because he was arrested at a pro-democracy site? Is there some illegality going on with Jimmy Lai beyond these protests not being mention beyond the region?

From the article:
In September Lai visited the territory's anti-corruption agency on Wednesday, after a recent raid on his home.
I don't know what form that sentence should have had, but the connection between Lai and corruption is made.
 

wtlh

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I don't know what form that sentence should have had, but the connection between Lai and corruption is made.

He has been under investigation for months now in suspected illegal donations and murky fund sources etc.

TBH, I thought for a long time Lai was a ROC agent planted in HK acting for the eventual retaking of mainland by the government of ROC.
 

MwRYum

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I thought Jimmy Lai owned Apple Daily. Why would he resign just because he was arrested at a pro-democracy site? Is there some illegality going on with Jimmy Lai beyond these protests not being mention beyond the region?

Because The Companies Ordinance doesn't allow anyone with criminal record to be member of the Board or be Chairman of the company, plus the corruption charges leveled against him (the undeclared political donations and suspected conflict of interest on the part of those who received it), it's merely a pre-emptive measure as it won't result in the downfall of the Next Media Group, the mouthpiece of the anti-government faction, or his kingpin role in the same.

Whatever charges that could be leveled against him on the coloured revolution will be very minor anyway.

He has been under investigation for months now in suspected illegal donations and murky fund sources etc.

TBH, I thought for a long time Lai was a ROC agent planted in HK acting for the eventual retaking of mainland by the government of ROC.

The kind of cash he throws into the anti-government effort ain't something Taiwan/ROC can cough out, though the latter has been alleged to financially backing at least 2 of the radical LegCo lawmakers. The most popular and with photographic evidence, is that he works for Uncle Sam...seriously, Paul Wolfowitz ain't somebody you can easily be friends with, like, you can't pass a Mafia Duce merely your golf buddy on Sundays...
 
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Equation

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He has been under investigation for months now in suspected illegal donations and murky fund sources etc.

TBH, I thought for a long time Lai was a ROC agent planted in HK acting for the eventual retaking of mainland by the government of ROC.

That mantra by the ROC about "retaking of the motherland" has been long gone. Now it's about retaining what little they have left.
 

AssassinsMace

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So then Jimmy Lai is just using these protests to distract from his other troubles. Resigning because he was arrested at a protest site... the two seem unrelated.
 
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MwRYum

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So then Jimmy Lai is just using these protests to distract from his other troubles. Resigning because he was arrested at a protest site... the two seem unrelated.

Sorry but you got it all wrong.

Jimmy Lai has been the local anti-government faction's kingpin for at least 2 decades, alas during the colonial days it was specifically targeting Mainland China (with some clandestine backing from London, obviously), so things went way back before this coloured revolution. Those corruption charges were more than about this year's happenings - there has been for several years of rumours that he has been supporting the anti-government faction with more than just providing a mass media platform - his Next Media Group publications - in the likes of cash donation and such, but it was only this year, a few months before the coloured revolution, that substantial evidence (in forms of email communiques, scanned copies of receipts, etc.) were "leaked" to the public, triggered the anti-corruption investigation against him. The scale was shocking, because the politicians involved were pretty much more than half of the entire anti-government lawmakers, went as far as this NeoCon tycoon financing known leftist labour unionists (that was the first time I heard the word "strikebreaker" uttered in HK)...

As for his resign after his arrest at the coloured revolution scene, they are unrelated, because it's just standard procedure for listed corporations to insulate themselves from any possible criminal activities (alleged or otherwise) by its Board members or chairman.
 
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