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Doombreed

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4) If HK protesters want their authorities to be democratic, shouldn't the "correct" solution be to put down those protests for once and for all in light of the opposing majority ...? Hypocrisy much ...?

Please correct wherever wrong.

The protesters are assuming that they're working under the "magic button mandate" I alluded to earlier. It's assumed that the general population is too afraid of the consequences to show their true feelings. Therefore the protesters act as the sacrifice on the altar of freedom for all Hong Kong. The people against occupy are misguided and the more they resist, the more OC need to stand firm. For even the good of the people protesting against OC.
 

vincent

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The protesters are assuming that they're working under the "magic button mandate" I alluded to earlier. It's assumed that the general population is too afraid of the consequences to show their true feelings. Therefore the protesters act as the sacrifice on the altar of freedom for all Hong Kong. The people against occupy are misguided and the more they resist, the more OC need to stand firm. For even the good of the people protesting against OC.

Haha, the high and mighty know-it-all. The more you resist, the more beatings we are gonna give you because it is good for you
 

Doombreed

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Haha, the high and mighty know-it-all. The more you resist, the more beatings we are gonna give you because it is good for you

So what's your point?

The most dangerous stage for any revolution is always the beginning. The very people you're trying to free would often attack you in fear of the unknown. Strong resolve and leadership is critial at this stage to break through the old paradigms. The Hong Kong people can not be trusted at this time to make good sound judgements because they're fearful and misguided. The people may not say it, but it doesn't mean the OC isn't what's good for them in the long run.
 

AssassinsMace

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These protests are not the result of an unjust death by authorities so what's the silent majority supposedly afraid of to speak up? That just shows there's nothing to romanticize about these protestors when everything they've done is half-baked. They whine about tear-gas being used and they go on a hunger strike only to quit when it affects their health. They don't even know what sacrifice means. If the silent majority isn't speaking up, it's because they don't have the guts and don't possess the commitment to be admired. There was some HK tycoon's daughter who got criticism for an elitist attitude towards the protests. These protestors are no different if they are so shocked that tear gas was used. These protestors are fragile spoiled brats en mass.

Want some reverse psychology at work? Someone in HK should make signs in support of Michael Brown and Eric Garner and have these protestors in HK hold them, take pictures, and then post them on the internet. They'll start to lose their key support in the US.
 

vincent

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So what's your point?

The most dangerous stage for any revolution is always the beginning. The very people you're trying to free would often attack you in fear of the unknown. Strong resolve and leadership is critial at this stage to break through the old paradigms. The Hong Kong people can not be trusted at this time to make good sound judgements because they're fearful and misguided. The people may not say it, but it doesn't mean the OC isn't what's good for them in the long run.

Please tell us lowly peons what are you trying to achieve with "free" elections? What social policies will you implement? What new benefits will you provide to the everyday people? What, if any, new taxes to be implemented? Have you guys think it through?
 

vincent

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Oh, and why can't you achieve them under the existing system?
 
While a lot of posters here are rightfully disgusted by the Hong Kong protesters who have demonstrated themselves to be hypocrites, deceitful, and destructive it is important in maintaining our own and the forum's integrity not to call for excessive responses to the protesters whether you are serious or just being dramatic.

The Hong Kong authorities have been very reasonable and tolerant in their handling of the protests, including arresting several police who may have used excessive force, and have consistently communicated with all Hong Kong people regarding the situation in a responsible meaningful manner. There are proportionate punishments for all the crimes and misdemeanors committed by these protesters and I am sure the Hong Kong authorities will hold those responsible through the due process.
 

MwRYum

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So what's your point?

The most dangerous stage for any revolution is always the beginning. The very people you're trying to free would often attack you in fear of the unknown. Strong resolve and leadership is critial at this stage to break through the old paradigms. The Hong Kong people can not be trusted at this time to make good sound judgements because they're fearful and misguided. The people may not say it, but it doesn't mean the OC isn't what's good for them in the long run.

And by saying that, you've just demonstrated the most ludicrous part, if not also its hypocritical part, of your ilk's mentality: be honest with us, please, what kind of "revolutionary" you are when you can't even pull off a proper hunger strike? Doing crash diet ain't hunger strike, and with energy drinks, even!

Hunger strike is about self-inflicting slow death to demonstrate the regime's unjust, but it totally lost its bite when you're nowhere in mortal danger, and call things off with less than a week in. If the fake hunger strike not laughable enough already, it only further proves your ilk is, in reality, nothing more than hot air when true sacrifices really counts.

Also, we don't "follow" you lot isn't because we're afraid, it's because our lives ain't so terrible that really makes a revolution the only recourse, but also we see through the cheats and liars your ringleaders really are, and we refuse to ruin it all so they can fatten their bank accounts for it. Pretty much that, before we've seen what we're losing, is far more than the gain your insurgency purported, worse, the lost we are suffering now today, thanks to you lot, will be far more then we can hope to gain back in any later date - and I'm not talking about just money, it's the entire prospect of democracy, because your "revolution" does nothing other than to prove the scenarios those old-guard naysayers in the establishment yabbering about all day long. Now try to guess what'd happen when elections comes about in 2015 and 2016? Let me tell you one thing for certain: we won't forget what naught your ilk brought upon us all, those clowns sponsored your "cause" will have some effort to woo votes from us voters, alas they choose their battleground where the demographics has more new voters such as you lot.

If you want real change, then you should condemn those ringleaders and this circus sideshow that they have the audacity to brand as revolution, register yourselves as qualified voter population (as I did) and vote those who really do things into the LegCo, instead of picking clowns to who do nothing constructive.
 
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Skywatcher

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So what's your point?

The most dangerous stage for any revolution is always the beginning. The very people you're trying to free would often attack you in fear of the unknown. Strong resolve and leadership is critial at this stage to break through the old paradigms. The Hong Kong people can not be trusted at this time to make good sound judgements because they're fearful and misguided. The people may not say it, but it doesn't mean the OC isn't what's good for them in the long run.

Umm, isn't that dictatorship by the revolutionary vanguard? I recall a certain group doing the same thing in 1949...
 

MwRYum

Major
Umm, isn't that dictatorship by the revolutionary vanguard? I recall a certain group doing the same thing in 1949...

What makes it so ironic is that they who proclaim to spread the gospel of democracy, are pure fascists in their deeds and thoughts.

But then again, it's not the first time in human history that fascism caped under the coat of democracy, alas this time the coat came flayed and with a hint of rot to begin with. Those of us with keen sense of smell knows right away, but most others are either too ignorant, or too preoccupied to get back at Beijing, they dropped their alarm.
 
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