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sahureka

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There is plenty that Russia could sell to North Korea including the MiG-29 and Su-27 with upgrades to MiG-29SMT and Su-27SM3.
Russia could send North Korea the aircraft, with the upgrade packages, and North Korea could install them.
Another thing which Russia could sell North Korea would be the decommissioned Kilo submarines. The Russians have several of these.
Then the North Koreans could take care of any upgrades these decommissioned hulls would need.

This would also give Russia and its allies better parity against Japanese and South Korean subs.
If, and I repeat if, Moscow did not want anyone to report a flagrant violation of UN resolutions, Russia could supply planes that are already supplied to North Korea, so the MiG-29s are fine even in very updated versions, but I would exclude SU -27 they are well recognizable and it would be difficult to deny their supply, although there could be a loophole that the accusation will be bounced back to whoever supplied them, Russia or China, with both firmly denying the accusation.
 

Valiant 1002

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In an interesting Russian article on "topwar" entitled
<< Returnable reserve: transfer of decommissioned weapons to friendly countries>>
There is an interesting hypothesis which mainly takes as its reference North Korea and subsequently also other countries considered not subject to the US and UK.
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Here I report the part of the article.

Omissis
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Recently, Russia has significantly intensified its relations with North Korea. This is not officially announced, but “enemy voices,” in particular the British intelligence service MI6, talk about possible supplies of ammunition and weapons from North Korea to Russia. Potentially, Russia could also supply certain weapons to the DPRK, without compromising the combat capability of the Russian Armed Forces.

The least developed segments of the DPRK armed forces are the aviation and navy, which is not surprising, since both the air force (Air Force) and the navy (Navy) require huge investments and high-tech industry. At the same time, both combat and auxiliary aircraft and helicopters, as well as ships for various purposes, which require significant funds to ensure their safety in reserve and for disposal, are being withdrawn from the RF Armed Forces.

In particular, speaking about aviation, a large number of aircraft such as the MiG-23, MiG-27 have been taken out of service by the RF Armed Forces, partially taken out of service and continue to be taken out as they wear out, the MiG-29, Su-24, Su-25, Su- 27, Mi-8, Mi-24 helicopters and many others.


What would happen, for example, if of the 3,630 MiG-23s and 769 MiG-23UBs produced, approximately 400-800 aircraft were transferred to North Korea under special conditions? Plus a couple hundred MiG-27s and a couple hundred MiG-25s? And a little later, in our time, a couple of hundred Su-27s and MiG-29s? The list could go on and on.

In the present reality, the DPRK Air Force successfully operates a limited number of Su-25, MiG-23, MiG-29 aircraft, Mi-8, Mi-24 and Mi-26 helicopters, as well as other, less modern aircraft. Thus, North Korea is quite capable of independently restoring, operating and modernizing Soviet/Russian military equipment (possibly with the help of China).

Moreover, a special section in the agreement for the transfer of military equipment would provide for its return to Russia during a special period, of course, taking into account reasonable monetary or other material compensation, as well as the obligation not to replace, but to duplicate designations in Russian during operation in the DPRK. It could also provide for the training of Russian pilots, their retraining on equipment that is outdated for Russia, which in a number of scenarios can be extremely effective. For example, how far could MiG-25 fighter-bombers throw air bombs with universal planning and correction modules (UMPC)?

A party to such agreements may be not only the DPRK, but also other countries, for example, Iran, Serbia, Syria, Cuba, Vietnam and others who will be interested in the above-mentioned format of cooperation, who are not under the control of the United States and Great Britain, as well as capable of restoring and maintaining those weapons and military equipment that are supplied to it, albeit with the help of a third party (for example, Syria clearly will not be able to restore combat aircraft itself, but Iran may well help it)............
It's an interesting theory, but it will all still depend on how willing Russia is to violate UN sanctions.

Just what would Russia say if suddenly North Korea's arsenal had hundreds of new fighter jets? Fighter jet is something North Korea can't build yet, and there is no way they could buy it from any country other than Russia.
 

Valiant 1002

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It's an interesting theory, but it will all still depend on how willing Russia is to violate UN sanctions.

Just what would Russia say if suddenly North Korea's arsenal had hundreds of new fighter jets? Fighter jet is something North Korea can't build yet, and there is no way they could buy it from any country other than Russia.
Not to mention that this is an overly optimistic assumption. How can North Korea afford thousands of MiG-23, MiG-27 and MiG-25 fighter jets at the same time?
 

TK3600

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Not to mention that this is an overly optimistic assumption. How can North Korea afford thousands of MiG-23, MiG-27 and MiG-25 fighter jets at the same time?
IMO just providing spare parts to mig29 is enough. What are they gonna do to Russia, sanctions? Don't make me laugh. There is no deterence. What comes down to is if both parties are willing.
 

defenceman

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Hi,
my opinion if Russian really want SU27 in NK
the only possibility is like Syrian style having a
base there and having those SU27 under their name
without getting further embargo by UN, if they really
care about the embargo
thank you
 

Valiant 1002

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IMO just providing spare parts to mig29 is enough. What are they gonna do to Russia, sanctions? Don't make me laugh. There is no deterence. What comes down to is if both parties are willing.
Embargoes will indeed become useless at this time for Russia. But even so, the idea that they would openly and without-hesitation provide advanced weapons to North Korea is still unbelievable to me.

Russia can transfer blueprints and engineers to North Korea as technical assistance to help them produce domestically. But jet fighters are different: I'm thinking that they will try to make arguments to "reinterpret" the UN resolution, for example.
 

gelgoog

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The Russians can just transfer MiG-29s from storage and paint them in North Korean colors. The North Koreans already have some MiG-29s so there is plausible deniability. They can even upgrade them to MiG-29BM standard and since the changes are internal they wouldn't be visible.
 

sahureka

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The Russians can just transfer MiG-29s from storage and paint them in North Korean colors. The North Koreans already have some MiG-29s so there is plausible deniability. They can even upgrade them to MiG-29BM standard and since the changes are internal they wouldn't be visible.
Furthermore, in the recent past they have made/assembled Mig-29s in their aircraft factory, so they could simply resume work (even if some say it was never stopped) to assemble new batches of Mig-29s.
Then there could be help for a possible nationally produced aircraft which could be that single-jet engine immortalized in this famous satellite photo, but in this image some have also noticed structural differences in the SU-25s, and for example some have wings with a very low angle of inclination that are almost straight (red circle). and here again the assumptions are different from being fake aircraft as well as a simplified North Korean variant of the SU-25.
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What is certain, these images have aroused enormous curiosity.
 

Atomicfrog

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Furthermore, in the recent past they have made/assembled Mig-29s in their aircraft factory, so they could simply resume work (even if some say it was never stopped) to assemble new batches of Mig-29s.
Then there could be help for a possible nationally produced aircraft which could be that single-jet engine immortalized in this famous satellite photo, but in this image some have also noticed structural differences in the SU-25s, and for example some have wings with a very low angle of inclination that are almost straight (red circle). and here again the assumptions are different from being fake aircraft as well as a simplified North Korean variant of the SU-25.
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What is certain, these images have aroused enormous curiosity.
Image quality probably screw the Su-25 shapes... the ''wingtip pods'' contain the airbrakes on SU-25, it would be surprising to see them removing these important parts.

Did they have l-39 ?, wing tips tank are very small...probably not visible with that picture quality and they quite look like su-25 with straight wings. But they do look like Su-25.
 
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sahureka

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Did they have l-39 ?, wing tips tank are very small...probably not visible with that picture quality and they quite look like su-25 with straight wings. But they do look like Su-25.

From public data the DPRK does not have the L-39, but yes, it could also be a trainer, however from these images it seems that it is twin-engined, who knows maybe they have created a training aircraft/COIN, something that could resemble the Mig/ AT or at Yasin and as a turbojet we could hypothesize the RD-9/WP-6 which is indicated as produced in DPRK , which for the trainer would be sufficient in the version without afterburner.
 
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