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stoa1984

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6. Specs




2023/09/08

Looking at the photos released by North Korea, it can be seen that the vertical missile launch tube (VLS) consists of four large and six small tubes, which can be used to launch at least two types of missiles.

Chairman Kim Jong Un introduced that North Korea's submarine policy in the past was to build many small and fast submarines to defend its territorial waters, and said that the role of the navy has also changed with the times, adding, "Today's launch ceremony is no less than our construction of a new nuclear-powered submarine." “It will be a burden to our opponents,” he predicted.

Here he emphasized the need to decisively solve the ship engine problem by creating a modern engine industry.

The rear of the submarine was covered, which appears to be an intention to not reveal the shape of the screw. The screw shape is also the most important confidential information in ship construction. The shape of the screw allows the other side to detect the submarine using sound waves.

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An impressive 10 missiles loadout, probably 4 x Pukguksong-1/3 SLBM and 6 x Hwasong-11S aeroballistics missiles or 6 x Hwasal-2 SLCM.

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▲ The DPRK's new Romeo-mod SSB. What we've seen and probable mast arrangement (based on Type 033). Sep 8, 2023

North Korea's Hero Kim Kun Ok SSB upper structure was inspired by the Chinese Type 035's sail, but did not redesign the tail like the Type 035. Thanks to the streamlined tail drag is reduced and the sub has higher submerged speed than Type-033/Romeo.

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▲ North Korea's Hero Kim Kun Ok SSB upper structure was inspired by the Chinese Type 035's sail.

One aspect that seems quite modern is the bow. Unlike the Type 033/Romeo bow it's dome shaped and likely to accommodate a more modern sonar array.

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▲ Artistic depiction of North Korea's Hero Kim Kun Ok SSB launching SLBM strike. 2023.

Photogrammetric measurements

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▲ If the diameter of the submarine's hull remains unchanged (which is highly likely), the increase in length of the new submarine is staggering. The red line represents the Type 633 submarine. · Sep 8, 2023

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▲ Comparative side view of the new submarine and the original Type 633 submarine. · Sep 8, 2023

China Navy Type 033 Romeo class Attack Submarine SSK
Displacement: 1475 tons (surfaced) / 1830 tons (submerged) ; Length: 76.6 meters (703 pixels); Beam: 6.7 m

DPRK Navy submarine No. 841 Hero Kim Kun Ok SSB
Displacement: 3,000 tons ; Length: ~96.2 meters (883 pixels); Beam: 6.7 m

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▲ Meanwhile satellite image taken 6th April 2023 allowing better measurements with Google Map indicate a length closer to 80 m rather than 96 m.

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▲ North Korean submarines 2023. Estimated strength. Better measurements with Google Map indicate a length closer to 80 m.
 

stoa1984

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7. Future plan



2023/09/08

In his congratulatory speech at the launch ceremony, Chairman Kim Jong Un said, “Apart from the plan to build nuclear submarines, we plan to convert all existing medium-sized submarines into attack submarines equipped with tactical nuclear weapons that can play an important role in modern warfare.” The plan was introduced as a ‘low-cost, high-tech strategy’ as part of the route to strengthen naval forces announced by our party’s 8th Congress.”

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This means that North Korea could convert up to ~20 Type-033/Romeo-class submarines in its possession into this new type of ballistic missile submarines.

Each armed with 10 warheads, totalling 200 SLBM/SLCM tactical nuclear weapons targeting South Korea and Japan. By taking into account the other basing modes, such as silos, underwater, TEL, MLRS, train-launched, corvette and frigate launched, this makes also the DPRK the world 5th nuclear military power by number of nukes by 2027, right behind the U.S., Russia, China and France, from its current 9th position.


North Korea could have up to 242 nuclear weapons by 2027: report

April 13, 2021

SEOUL, April 13 (Yonhap) -- North Korea could have up to 242 nuclear weapons and dozens of intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs) by 2027, a research report said Tuesday, calling for South Korea and the United States to weigh "all options" to counter the evolving threats.

The Asan Institute for Policy Studies and the Rand Corp. made the estimate in a joint report, stressing "serious" considerations should be given to deploying tactical nuclear arms in the South and other measures to deter the North's possible attempt at nuclear warfare.

The report came amid signs of worrisome activity at the North's east coast shipyard seen as a site for submarine launched ballistic missile tests and after a U.N. panel report that Pyongyang continues to develop its nuclear and missile programs.

"It is estimated that the total number of North Korea's nuclear weapons by 2027 would be between 151 and 242, in addition to tens of mobile intercontinental ballistic missiles," the report, titled "Countering the Risks of North Korean Nuclear Weapons," said.

The report based its estimate on the amount of fissile material, such as plutonium and highly enriched uranium, which Pyongyang is believed to have produced. It cited such data as the U.S. intelligence community's estimate and other known analysis.

"We estimate North Korea's number of nuclear weapons from 2017 through 2027, with the starting value of 30 to 60 nuclear weapons in 2017, with one to two plutonium weapons added by 2020, and with the numbers growing by either 12 weapons per year or 18 weapons per year," the report said.

The report, however, noted the need for caution in drawing conclusions on the North's inventory, citing "vast uncertainties," such as the fact that its estimate is not based on the actual production of nuclear arms, and the uncertain number of operational centrifuges used to produce highly enriched uranium.

The report warned that with further advances in its nuclear capability, the North will be able to employ the nuclear threats and attacks in "much more coercive and diverse ways," such as preemptive nuclear strikes.

To fend off the North's nuclear warfare attempts, the report called for Seoul and Washington to consider options such as dedicating U.S. strategic nuclear weapons to targeting the North and deploying U.S. intermediate ballistic missiles with nuclear weapons in or near South Korea and stationing tactical nuclear weapons here.

The report also stressed the need for the allies to consider "putting all options" on the table to maximize the effectiveness of their efforts against the North's nuclear weapons use.

"The United States could also threaten North Korea that if it crosses an ICBM or nuclear weapon inventory threshold, or both, the United States will station in the ROK eight to ten tactical nuclear weapons capable of destroying deep underground facilities," it added. ROK is South Korea's official name, the Republic of Korea.

In addition, the report said that the transfer of wartime operational control (OPCON) from Washington to Seoul should be delayed until the provision of nuclear weapons support to the South by the U.S. becomes certain.

"Unlike in a conventional conflict, in a nuclear conflict, the ROK is not ready to take the principal role in confronting North Korea, especially in the initial stage of a contingency," the report said.

"This is a key weakness that could lead the North Koreans to interpret the OPCON transition as a sign of faltering U.S. commitment to the defense of the ROK," it added.

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North Korea has adopted a unique policy of mounting nuclear weapons on conventional submarines along with building nuclear submarines, a method unprecedented in the world.

This strategy is a smart stop-gap making good use of the otherwise irrelevant Romeo-class submarines, until nuclear powered ballistic missile submarines can be produced in large number by the end of the decade.

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gelgoog

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I wonder if we won't be seeing some of Russia's decommissioned Kilo subs pop up in North Korea.

The Russians have been replacing the Kilos in the Pacific Fleet with more modern ones for example.
Then question is what will you do with the older Kilos.

The older Kilos might be obsolete by Russian standards, but they are leaps ahead of North Korean subs based on the Romeo class.

Similarly aged Kilos are still used in Iran and can be upgraded to fire the Kalibr. So it wouldn't be unusual I think.
 

Soldier30

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During his visit to Russia, North Korean leader Kim Jong-un showed increased interest in all Russian military equipment. Kim Jong-un inspected the frigate of the Pacific Fleet "Marshal Shaposhnikov" of project 1155, visited Russian aircraft factories in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, viewed Russian fighters Su-34, Su-30SM, Su-35S, attack aircraft Su-25SM3 and MiG-31I with hypersonic missile "Dagger". Kim Jong-un showed particular interest in Russian strategic aviation; he examined in detail the strategic bombers Tu-160, Tu-95MS and Tu-22M3. The DPRK leader was interested in the characteristics of strategic aircraft, their weapons and combat capabilities. Details in the video.

 

montyp165

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During his visit to Russia, North Korean leader Kim Jong-un showed increased interest in all Russian military equipment. Kim Jong-un inspected the frigate of the Pacific Fleet "Marshal Shaposhnikov" of project 1155, visited Russian aircraft factories in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, viewed Russian fighters Su-34, Su-30SM, Su-35S, attack aircraft Su-25SM3 and MiG-31I with hypersonic missile "Dagger". Kim Jong-un showed particular interest in Russian strategic aviation; he examined in detail the strategic bombers Tu-160, Tu-95MS and Tu-22M3. The DPRK leader was interested in the characteristics of strategic aircraft, their weapons and combat capabilities. Details in the video.

It would also make sense for the North Koreans to acquire Russian equipment that the Russians had also supplied to South Korea, for familiarization of their operational use, such as the BMP-3 and SA-16.
 

Gloire_bb

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Interesting to watch this process overall, and where it will lead.

Everyone sees DPRK as a pure tube and rocket artillery wonderland, but I wonder how much here is open Russian displeasure with ROK visibly taking sides nowadays.
While Korea has indeed avoided donating arms to Ukraine - it does huge supply to Poland. And Poland very openly arms specifically for a future conflict with Russia. Korea does stock compensation ammo transfers, too. How supporting North Korea here and there is especially different? Korean War is on hold.
DPRK is under sanctions - but DPRK sanctions are subject to interpretation. Interpretations, on the other hand, are a function of relations.

Finally, while most ROK-Japan-US triangle (and more southern AUKUS to a smaller degree) is aimed at China and DPRK - the fact stands it is aimed at Russia, too, by extension, and by geography. THAAD was a huge annoyance to China - but it was an annoyance to Russia, too.
Various US allies like to go to Chinese seas to show presence - but they like to do the same around the much more vulnerable Russian Far East, too. Not like Russia doesn't know what happened between the Dutch East Indies and one certain kawaii Japan in the past.


The hard part here indeed was that Republic of Korea and Russian Federation for a very long maintained best possible relations, against all headwinds. But headwinds are now reaching hurricane speeds. South Korea is ultimately a devoted US ally first, and an emerging MIC power trying to carve its part of the Western military trade pie.

For DPRK it's a historical opportunity indeed.
 

pmc

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During his visit to Russia, North Korean leader Kim Jong-un showed increased interest in all Russian military equipment. Kim Jong-un inspected the frigate of the Pacific Fleet "Marshal Shaposhnikov" of project 1155, visited Russian aircraft factories in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, viewed Russian fighters Su-34, Su-30SM, Su-35S, attack aircraft Su-25SM3 and MiG-31I with hypersonic missile "Dagger". Kim Jong-un showed particular interest in Russian strategic aviation; he examined in detail the strategic bombers Tu-160, Tu-95MS and Tu-22M3. The DPRK leader was interested in the characteristics of strategic aircraft, their weapons and combat capabilities. Details in the video.

There is Tu-214 in center. he was checking both Civilian and military aircraft including Sukhoi business jet. Kim also watch TV with pilot in cockpit.
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sahureka

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Thinking back to the visit to the base of the Russian fleet I noticed that instead of showing Kim Jong un the latest modern corvettes built of project 20380 and 20385, they showed the elderly and recently returned to the fleet after an extensive modernization of ex destroyer Marshal Shaposhnikov of project 1155/ Udaloy class, perhaps interested old units : corvette, frigate or destroyer decommissioned by Russia?!
Furthermore, while going up on the visit you will probably have noticed the Kilo class submarines,
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and who knows if having knowledge that a submarine the B345 kilo class / project 877 was decommissioned in 2021 by the Pacific fleet and from 1 September 2023, also the Krasnokamensk also project 877 / Kilo class has been officially withdrawn from the operational fleet of the Pacific Fleet
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and which together with some surface units could think of re-proposing the opportunity in early 90s style with a purchase :cool: for scrap (at the time Golf - Foxtrot and Krivak). Definitely Kilo pr. 877 could still offer important knowledge to the North Korean shipping industry.
 
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Stealthflanker

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North Korean is better off with newer 636 boats. 877 is by now kinda equivalent to a dinosaur and God knows how poor it would be in condition after decommissioned.
 
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