Returning to the "scrappage" purchases of the early 1990s, the Golf and Foxtrot class submarines were not brought back to operational conditions, but studied. If you have translated the article previously attached to my post correctly, the Krasnokamensk pr.877 submarine completed its last mission on August 30th and was decommissioned from the fleet on September 1st, so it was still considered reliable for carry out that last mission. Procuring an 877 should not have the main function of bringing it back into operation in the North Korean fleet, although with Russian help it is possible and I think they would do it to test it (for example, Myanmar uses an 877 received from India), but having a submarine which is however of a more advanced generation than the Romeo/Type 033 class, a lot of useful information can be obtained regarding the shape of the hull, engine system, silence under water, sensors etc.
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Instead of procuring tho... wouldn't it be better for North Korea to license produce the design with Russian help. They will learn faster that way, that will save them years of having to figure everything themselves.
This does not exclude the other, but can be part of a possible extended and secret agreement.
With the 877 you gain experience and then from it and from possible unofficial external help something would be created that could resemble the Kilo class but made by the DPRK
Seems KJU is returning home with examples of drones that Russia may want them to put into rapid mass-production?
By Amarachi Orie, Darya Tarasova, Mendonca and Jake Kwon, CNN
Published 11:50 AM EDT, Sun September 17, 2023
North Korean leader Kim Jong Un gifted bulletproof vest and drones as he leaves Russia
By Amarachi Orie, Darya Tarasova, Mendonca and Jake Kwon, CNNPublished 11:50 AM EDT, Sun September 17, 2023
If there will be aid in the aeronautical field with rapid delivery and at the same time making it very difficult for the UN to accuse Moscow of not respecting the embargo, certainly the Mig-29 is a very valid hypothesis, the same hypothesis that I had also indicated in a my post.
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I want to see J-10C in North Korea airforce :cool:
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But in addition to possible Mig-29s for today's needs, Moscow has the technical design capabilities to possibly contribute to the creation of a fighter plane made in DPRK and with this new fighter jet it could replace Kim Jong Un with a methodology that proceeds step by step subsequently the entire series of aircraft starting from the J-5 alias Mig-17, then J-6, followed by the J-7/Mig-21 and Mig-23, possibly developing versions dedicated to different types of missions.
In an interesting Russian article on "topwar" entitled
<< Returnable reserve: transfer of decommissioned weapons to friendly countries>>
There is an interesting hypothesis which mainly takes as its reference North Korea and subsequently also other countries considered not subject to the US and UK.
Here I report the part of the article.
Omissis
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Recently, Russia has significantly intensified its relations with North Korea. This is not officially announced, but “enemy voices,” in particular the British intelligence service MI6, talk about possible supplies of ammunition and weapons from North Korea to Russia. Potentially, Russia could also supply certain weapons to the DPRK, without compromising the combat capability of the Russian Armed Forces.
The least developed segments of the DPRK armed forces are the aviation and navy, which is not surprising, since both the air force (Air Force) and the navy (Navy) require huge investments and high-tech industry. At the same time, both combat and auxiliary aircraft and helicopters, as well as ships for various purposes, which require significant funds to ensure their safety in reserve and for disposal, are being withdrawn from the RF Armed Forces.
In particular, speaking about aviation, a large number of aircraft such as the MiG-23, MiG-27 have been taken out of service by the RF Armed Forces, partially taken out of service and continue to be taken out as they wear out, the MiG-29, Su-24, Su-25, Su- 27, Mi-8, Mi-24 helicopters and many others.
What would happen, for example, if of the 3,630 MiG-23s and 769 MiG-23UBs produced, approximately 400-800 aircraft were transferred to North Korea under special conditions? Plus a couple hundred MiG-27s and a couple hundred MiG-25s? And a little later, in our time, a couple of hundred Su-27s and MiG-29s? The list could go on and on.
In the present reality, the DPRK Air Force successfully operates a limited number of Su-25, MiG-23, MiG-29 aircraft, Mi-8, Mi-24 and Mi-26 helicopters, as well as other, less modern aircraft. Thus, North Korea is quite capable of independently restoring, operating and modernizing Soviet/Russian military equipment (possibly with the help of China).
Moreover, a special section in the agreement for the transfer of military equipment would provide for its return to Russia during a special period, of course, taking into account reasonable monetary or other material compensation, as well as the obligation not to replace, but to duplicate designations in Russian during operation in the DPRK. It could also provide for the training of Russian pilots, their retraining on equipment that is outdated for Russia, which in a number of scenarios can be extremely effective. For example, how far could MiG-25 fighter-bombers throw air bombs with universal planning and correction modules (UMPC)?
A party to such agreements may be not only the DPRK, but also other countries, for example, Iran, Serbia, Syria, Cuba, Vietnam and others who will be interested in the above-mentioned format of cooperation, who are not under the control of the United States and Great Britain, as well as capable of restoring and maintaining those weapons and military equipment that are supplied to it, albeit with the help of a third party (for example, Syria clearly will not be able to restore combat aircraft itself, but Iran may well help it)............
<< Returnable reserve: transfer of decommissioned weapons to friendly countries>>
There is an interesting hypothesis which mainly takes as its reference North Korea and subsequently also other countries considered not subject to the US and UK.
Here I report the part of the article.
Omissis
...…......
Recently, Russia has significantly intensified its relations with North Korea. This is not officially announced, but “enemy voices,” in particular the British intelligence service MI6, talk about possible supplies of ammunition and weapons from North Korea to Russia. Potentially, Russia could also supply certain weapons to the DPRK, without compromising the combat capability of the Russian Armed Forces.
The least developed segments of the DPRK armed forces are the aviation and navy, which is not surprising, since both the air force (Air Force) and the navy (Navy) require huge investments and high-tech industry. At the same time, both combat and auxiliary aircraft and helicopters, as well as ships for various purposes, which require significant funds to ensure their safety in reserve and for disposal, are being withdrawn from the RF Armed Forces.
In particular, speaking about aviation, a large number of aircraft such as the MiG-23, MiG-27 have been taken out of service by the RF Armed Forces, partially taken out of service and continue to be taken out as they wear out, the MiG-29, Su-24, Su-25, Su- 27, Mi-8, Mi-24 helicopters and many others.
What would happen, for example, if of the 3,630 MiG-23s and 769 MiG-23UBs produced, approximately 400-800 aircraft were transferred to North Korea under special conditions? Plus a couple hundred MiG-27s and a couple hundred MiG-25s? And a little later, in our time, a couple of hundred Su-27s and MiG-29s? The list could go on and on.
In the present reality, the DPRK Air Force successfully operates a limited number of Su-25, MiG-23, MiG-29 aircraft, Mi-8, Mi-24 and Mi-26 helicopters, as well as other, less modern aircraft. Thus, North Korea is quite capable of independently restoring, operating and modernizing Soviet/Russian military equipment (possibly with the help of China).
Moreover, a special section in the agreement for the transfer of military equipment would provide for its return to Russia during a special period, of course, taking into account reasonable monetary or other material compensation, as well as the obligation not to replace, but to duplicate designations in Russian during operation in the DPRK. It could also provide for the training of Russian pilots, their retraining on equipment that is outdated for Russia, which in a number of scenarios can be extremely effective. For example, how far could MiG-25 fighter-bombers throw air bombs with universal planning and correction modules (UMPC)?
A party to such agreements may be not only the DPRK, but also other countries, for example, Iran, Serbia, Syria, Cuba, Vietnam and others who will be interested in the above-mentioned format of cooperation, who are not under the control of the United States and Great Britain, as well as capable of restoring and maintaining those weapons and military equipment that are supplied to it, albeit with the help of a third party (for example, Syria clearly will not be able to restore combat aircraft itself, but Iran may well help it)............
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There is plenty that Russia could sell to North Korea including the MiG-29 and Su-27 with upgrades to MiG-29SMT and Su-27SM3.
Russia could send North Korea the aircraft, with the upgrade packages, and North Korea could install them.
Another thing which Russia could sell North Korea would be the decommissioned Kilo submarines. The Russians have several of these.
Then the North Koreans could take care of any upgrades these decommissioned hulls would need.
This would also give Russia and its allies better parity against Japanese and South Korean subs.
Russia could send North Korea the aircraft, with the upgrade packages, and North Korea could install them.
Another thing which Russia could sell North Korea would be the decommissioned Kilo submarines. The Russians have several of these.
Then the North Koreans could take care of any upgrades these decommissioned hulls would need.
This would also give Russia and its allies better parity against Japanese and South Korean subs.