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AndrewS said:

China already set a precedent when it said Chinese data must stay within China.

The US is now following the same path, which is not good news for Google, Facebook, Instagram, etc.

These companies don't respect data sovereignty, and now face the prospect of every country in the world demanding that their user data is controlled locally, so that it is beyond the reach of the US spy agencies.

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It is happening in India and Indonesia too, both are setting up laws to ensure Google/Facebook keeps those data locally, and having to pay TAX for digital sales like Google PlayStore. Last I read the US gov is pressuring the Indonesian gov to give up on the data server localisation demand. So much talk about respecting data sovereignty.

hullopilllw said:

It is happening in India and Indonesia too, both are setting up laws to ensure Google/Facebook keeps those data locally, and having to pay TAX for digital sales like Google PlayStore. Last I read the US gov is pressuring the Indonesian gov to give up on the data server localisation demand. So much talk about respecting data sovereignty.

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India, Indonesia and Vietnam all had to dilute their demand for Data localization.
While it could be argued that the primary motive for US government to use diplomatic pressure on these "allies" is to help the domestic US technology companies avoid the financial pain of setting up Data Centers, there could also be a more sinister motive - Easy access to Data for US based Global surveillance.

Not even American citizens are convinced that their data is protected. The fate of the data of foreign citizens then must be goner.

Glad that China has strong restrictions in place. Russia is another example.
EU has their GDPR.

China could spoil the party of US by helping chinese companies set up Data centers in Foreign countries and giving shape to foreign country's ideas and framework for Data localization.
A good end to the greedy designs of unilateral exceptionalist regime .

hullopilllw said:

It is happening in India and Indonesia too, both are setting up laws to ensure Google/Facebook keeps those data locally, and having to pay TAX for digital sales like Google PlayStore. Last I read the US gov is pressuring the Indonesian gov to give up on the data server localisation demand. So much talk about respecting data sovereignty.

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The UK already imposed a 2% digital services tax on foreign companies like Google and Amazon.

I expect that to spread to all of Europe soon enough.

solarz said:

That's not how it works.

Oracle just acquired 20% of Tiktok. Bytedance retains 80% of Tiktok.

Bytedance and Tiktok have different boards. Bytedance is 40% owned by US investors, meaning some of them get a seat on the board of Bytedance. Oracle gets a seat on the board of Tiktok US.

In order for the US to "control" Tiktok, first they have to somehow use their 40% ownership in Bytedance to install a US-leaning majority board in Tiktok. Only then does the 20% Oracle shares in Tiktok come into play.

Of course, if Zhang One-kneel remains a bootlicker to the West, then the above might very well happen, but that would be Bytedance willingly cooperating with the US.

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40% is already owned by US investors. Who do you think convinced Zhang Kneel to bend the knee and divest portions Ticktock to Oracle and Walmart.

Zhang was charmed, convinced. He has limited international business experienced and is only in his 30s.

Beijing is the top science city in the Nature Index in 2019 based on Share, . The Chinese capital also makes a far greater contribution to the Share of its region (21%) than any of the other top five cities in the index (New York 10.3%, Boston 9.5%, San Francisco-San Jose 8.4%, Shanghai 10.9%).

gadgetcool5 said:

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First the US, then Taiwan, then South Korea and Japan, now even Chinese chipmakers are teaming up against Huawei. Behold, the power of the United States.

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"teaming up against" is wholly wrong interpretation of their true intention. Let me put forward another example, when Trump reimposed sanctions on Iran, lots of European companies were forced to stop working through their agreement with Iran, does that mean Europeans were "teaming up against" Iran and Iran Nuclear deal? The EU's open objection of any EU company complying the American sanctions tell the opposite. Same here and today.

"teaming up against" is the act by voluntarily action, it is intentional. Prevented to continue working with Huawei is totally different matter.

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First the US, then Taiwan, then South Korea and Japan, now even Chinese chipmakers are teaming up against Huawei. Behold, the power of the United States.

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Here is the answer to the supposed "team" (or "gang" to be more accurate):
We will crash you.
We will roll over you by

Just wait to see who is the one standing at the end. Both you and I will be around to see that day.

Petrolicious88 said:

40% is already owned by US investors. Who do you think convinced Zhang Kneel to bend the knee and divest portions Ticktock to Oracle and Walmart.

Zhang was charmed, convinced. He has limited international business experienced and is only in his 30s.

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And how would you propose preventing that? Should Chinese companies be banned from accepting foreign investments?

solarz said:

And how would you propose preventing that? Should Chinese companies be banned from accepting foreign investments?

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Of course not. But China is just going to divest it’s companies, share source codes just because Trump or the US says so?

taxiya said:

"teaming up against" is wholly wrong interpretation of their true intention. Let me put forward another example, when Trump reimposed sanctions on Iran, lots of European companies were forced to stop working through their agreement with Iran, does that mean Europeans were "teaming up against" Iran and Iran Nuclear deal? The EU's open objection of any EU company complying the American sanctions tell the opposite. Same here and today.

"teaming up against" is the act by voluntarily action, it is intentional. Prevented to continue working with Huawei is totally different matter.

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It is voluntary though. The US has no jurisdiction over Europe or Korea or China. They could say screw the US, we are developing our own independent equipment and supply chains. But will they do it? No they won't. And even if it were involuntary, who cares? It makes no difference. At the end of the day, they choose to comply with the US, they will comply with the US. That is all that matters.

And not only chipmakers, but China's own consumers will abandon Huawei. Don't think the home market is safe. You can talk about patriotism all you want, but not many people want to go around with an inferior phone just to be politically correct.

And not only China's chipmakers and consumers, but Huawei's own employees will abandon Huawei. They already are, as many of their talented designers have jumped to other companies. Oppo. Vivo. Xiaomi. Samsung. Apple. There are plenty of alternatives. At the end of the day, no opportunities, no salary, no workers.

In short, Huawei will have no friends. The US government's power is so great that it can control and compel everyone. That is why China should seek better relations with the US instead of fighting.