News on China's scientific and technological development.

BTW there is precedent for US industry sanctions backfiring on them before. One example would be the ITAR sanctions on satellite component sales to China. This led Europe to develop its own technology and collapsed much of the US satellite industry.
With the right moves China can turn the Huawei fiasco in their own victory but this might take a decade or two to achieve.

Regarding the talk about wealth being power. Well, no. Power is power. Wealth isn't.
The Soviet Union had enough power to compete with the US for decades. Considering the odds against them I think they did fairly well.
Even the Breznev stagnation is a misnomer IMHO. In the 1970s the Western countries economies were also stagnating and in the Breznev era the Soviet industry managed to do many important military achievements like the Tu-160. Living standards were also at their peak.

I think the main issues the Soviets had was they did not invest enough in the semiconductor and robotics sectors. This caused them many issues from lower productivity because of less advanced machine tools, to worse quality because of high reliance on manual production, to worse oil field prospection and extraction technology. Texas Instruments, for example, started making chips for the oil industry in the US to scan for oil fields. So in the mid 1980s the Soviets started sliding backwards economically.

If wealth was power the Song Dinasty wouldn't have lost to the Mongols. Wealth isn't power. Power is power. But of course, to feed an advanced army you need an advanced industry in the right sectors. Otherwise you either need to confiscate wealth using your military or your military power will degrade. Which is what happened to the Mongols eventually.

SMIC running away from Huawei like a coward. Why people talk about their tech development is quite meaningless.

Anyway, on last speaking at conference, Huawei executive Richard Yu was crying and said the biggest down fall of Huawei was it got into chip design and but neglected chip manufacturing.

TD739 said:

SMIC running away from Huawei like a coward. Why people talk about their tech development is quite meaningless.

Anyway, on last speaking at conference, Huawei executive Richard Yu was crying and said the biggest down fall of Huawei was it got into chip design and but neglected chip manufacturing.

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They have nobody to blame but themselves and why should SMIC help them when they didn't patronize or help with investment when SMIC struggle to gain foothold.
EVen today this guy Rhen still sing swan song he didn't hate US but worship them as their technical ancestor! He built his headquarter in the image of Europe. He send this daughter to debutante Wien ball to hang around white aristocrat and moneyed men . Come on keep worshiping them Soemthing wrong with this people Didn't they learn history of Soviet China relation when Soviet literary torn apart the agreement. Good for them now enjoy your obsession

That article is from Taiwan. Why would Chinese companies avoid Huawei? Do they think Trump won't go after them if they go along? Taiwanese are liars just as much as Hong Kongers.

horse said:

Where do you get this information?

They built a hospital in 10 days in Wuhan during the SARS-CoV-2 outbreak.

Huawei has been hiring Taiwan and Korean IC workers with big paychecks.

Things move at China speed inside China.

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A prefab building is very different to a fab.

Being able to construct such a building in 10 days doesn't guarentee that they'll be able to construct a ship, a fab, or new IC designs that quickly because you're ultimately comparing unskilled labour that scales with worker count with industries that rely on IP.

TD739 said:

SMIC running away from Huawei like a coward. Why people talk about their tech development is quite meaningless.

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If SMIC relies on US equipment, then before SMEE is ready to replace that equipment, it has no choice. Everything depends on SMEE now.

TD739 said:

Anyway, on last speaking at conference, Huawei executive Richard Yu was crying and said the biggest down fall of Huawei was it got into chip design and but neglected chip manufacturing.

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Do you have a source and what he said and that he was "crying" or is this some drama you made up?

If done right, the complete semiconductor supply chain can spawn hundreds or thousands of companies in China. Great for Chinese job market.

manqiangrexue said:

If SMIC relies on US equipment, then before SMEE is ready to replace that equipment, it has no choice. Everything depends on SMEE now.

Do you have a source and what he said and that he was "crying" or is this some drama you made up?

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SMEE is the most important tech company in China. But also I would not be surprised that state owned research institutes linked to the military are also heavily involved in developing lithography machines. Remember all of the chips China uses for space and radar and J-20 are made in China. So there are bound to be more than just SMEE working on this problem. It's just that we as outsiders don't know.