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It’s basically saying: Don’t trust a gook, let’s round them all up

The sections describing the strategy is somewhat true though. Especially on "4. Re-innovate" - basically a strategy for assimilating technology, re-innovating on top, and either catching up in the area or leapfrogging. Saving time and money.

Of course this is all presented in a binary way, totally devoid of nuance. The strategy steps are mostly true across Chinese scientific and industrial domains from the 1950s to maybe 2000s. It's applying this strategy still where it sees fit but there aren't that many science and tech fields which China doesn't already lead without peers or at least competitive with the best in. The only obvious one which China isn't close to leading or competitive is turbofan engine design and manufacturing (particularly high bypass). But even this one is relatively caught up already as WS-15, CJ-1000, and WS-20 are at or nearing serial manufacturing and WS-10 having provided more than 10 years of proven service. Maybe can include super high thrust turbofans, super high thrust rockets engines, and chip fabrication as well but China is at the very least second tier in all these fields already.

None of this would have been achieved so quickly without applying the strategy outlined in the FBI document. Although these strategies were used by almost every civilisation/nation in catch up. Literally all of them applied a similar strategy instead of "reinventing the wheel from first principles". Most try and fail.

Saving effort, resources, and time, really allows for them to be applied elsewhere. How else can China be a leading competitor or sole leader in so many fields now? Considering it was nowhere even back in the 1990s. Although the groundwork was more than concrete already back in the 1990s.
 

localizer

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The sections describing the strategy is somewhat true though. Especially on "4. Re-innovate" - basically a strategy for assimilating technology, re-innovating on top, and either catching up in the area or leapfrogging. Saving time and money.

Of course this is all presented in a binary way, totally devoid of nuance. The strategy steps are mostly true across Chinese scientific and industrial domains from the 1950s to maybe 2000s. It's applying this strategy still where it sees fit but there aren't that many science and tech fields which China doesn't already lead without peers or at least competitive with the best in. The only obvious one which China isn't close to leading or competitive is turbofan engine design and manufacturing (particularly high bypass). But even this one is relatively caught up already as WS-15, CJ-1000, and WS-20 are at or nearing serial manufacturing and WS-10 having provided more than 10 years of proven service. Maybe can include super high thrust turbofans, super high thrust rockets engines, and chip fabrication as well but China is at the very least second tier in all these fields already.

None of this would have been achieved so quickly without applying the strategy outlined in the FBI document. Although these strategies were used by almost every civilisation/nation in catch up. Literally all of them applied a similar strategy instead of "reinventing the wheel from first principles". Most try and fail.

Saving effort, resources, and time, really allows for them to be applied elsewhere. How else can China be a leading competitor or sole leader in so many fields now? Considering it was nowhere even back in the 1990s. Although the groundwork was more than concrete already back in the 1990s.


The root of the problem for the West is that Chinese are smart and hardworking. Like you said, most try and fail to do what China did.

If they want Chinese to not go back to China and use what they learned then they should grant all Chinese immigrants US citizenship on the spot.
 

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@Temstar plz post to reddit

this some bullshit

Alex, a Chinese science PhD student at a US Ivy League university, said he was stopped by two uniformed officials as he attempted to fly home. They asked to search his devices and he said he felt compelled to hand over passwords so he would not miss his flight. “I had no choice.” He said he had expected to be questioned but was taken aback by the tone. “They were not speaking to me in a normal, good-willed way. They directly came up and assumed I was guilty,” he said, asking to use a pseudonym for fear of visa retaliation.



Charlie, another science PhD student, gave up his laptop with his research results after an hour-long airport interrogation. “I was furious, even though I had psychologically prepared myself. I just thought this was total bullying.”
 

latenlazy

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Wrong again.

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In the US, corporations spend billions on basic research, because they know it is the basis for everything, including applied science.
The sort of ”basic research” corporations spend on, the type tracked by the article you’re citing, isn’t the same sort of fundamental theoretical work you see universities and governments work on that push your technological frontier 20-30 years out. It’s applications adjacent stuff. Corporations rarely invest in anything that takes more than 5-10 years to have market value. There’s no point taking on that sort of risk internally when they can just hire and buy the people who developed the science and technology in government and academic institutions once that looks more market ready.

In the field I currently work in some of our “basic” research involves studying biological agent to dye interactions, demonstrating discovery of novel cell populations using the instrument my company developed, or developing metrics for measuring certain performance parameters. All of this counts as “basic research”, with papers being published and all, but none of this stuff is pushing the boundaries of theoretical capability.

Even for things like Google’s or IBM’s “basic” research into Quantum computing is more or less operating off a 5-10 year time window for application, or at least demonstration. A lot of research by semiconductor fabs like TSMC or Samsung is also considered “basic”, like with particular electrical characteristics of transistors made with different material compositions at different sizes, or by equipment providers like ASML, Lam, Applied Materials, etc on things like the micro-behavior of plasmas in certain conditions or EUV scattering dynamics, but again this isn’t stuff that’s breaking new ground for the next two-three decades as much as they’re setting up for ready for market applications in a shorter time horizon.

Not all “basic” research is identical, and as I’ve said earlier, if you want a gauge of how much activity is happening don’t look at the dollar amount spent but the overall manpower working in a domain.
 
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ansy1968

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Hope Huawei can maintain its lead until next year

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Huawei continues to lead global telecom equipment market in H1, report shows
2020-09-08 17:25:00 GMT+8 | cnTechPost
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Preliminary estimates showed that the global telecom equipment vendor revenue ranking has remained stable between 2019 and the first half of 2020, with Huawei, Nokia, Ericsson, ZTE, Cisco, Ciena and Samsung rounding out the top seven, according to a new report from market research firm Dell'Oro Group.
The report suggested that the overall telecom equipment market will grow 4 percent year-over-year in the first half of 2020. At the same time, revenue share changed slightly as Chinese vendors benefited from the large-scale deployment of 5G in China.

The top five vendors in terms of revenue share in the global telecom equipment market in the first half of 2020 were Huawei (31%), Nokia (14%), Ericsson (14%), ZTE (11%), and Cisco (6%), compared to 28%, 16%, 14%, 9%, and 7% in 2019.

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Other highlights from this Q2 2020 report on the overall global telecom equipment market include.
Following a 4% year-on-year decline in the first quarter of 2020, the telecommunications equipment market returned to growth in the second quarter. Growth was particularly strong in mobile infrastructure, while slow but positive growth in optical transport and SP routers and Carrier Ethernet switches more than offset the decline in demand for broadband access and microwave transport.

In the first half of 2020, double-digit percentage growth in mobile infrastructure offset declines in investment in broadband access, microwave and optical transport, as well as SP routers and Carrier Ethernet switches.

The stronger-than-expected quarter was driven by a strong rebound in several technology segments in China, including 5G RAN, 5G core, GPON, SP routers and carrier Ethernet switches, and optical transport.
The stabilization of various supply chain disruptions that impacted market performance in some technology sectors in the first quarter also helps explain the output acceleration that occurred during the quarter.


While Covid-19 is still taking a significant human and economic toll, Dell'Oro's analyst team believes that the more optimistic trends of the second quarter will continue into the second half of the year, driving 5 percent growth in the overall telecom equipment market through 2020.
 

machupicu

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Hope Huawei can maintain its lead until next year

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Huawei continues to lead global telecom equipment market in H1, report shows
2020-09-08 17:25:00 GMT+8 | cnTechPost
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Preliminary estimates showed that the global telecom equipment vendor revenue ranking has remained stable between 2019 and the first half of 2020, with Huawei, Nokia, Ericsson, ZTE, Cisco, Ciena and Samsung rounding out the top seven, according to a new report from market research firm Dell'Oro Group.
The report suggested that the overall telecom equipment market will grow 4 percent year-over-year in the first half of 2020. At the same time, revenue share changed slightly as Chinese vendors benefited from the large-scale deployment of 5G in China.

The top five vendors in terms of revenue share in the global telecom equipment market in the first half of 2020 were Huawei (31%), Nokia (14%), Ericsson (14%), ZTE (11%), and Cisco (6%), compared to 28%, 16%, 14%, 9%, and 7% in 2019.

c534ba54deda4f952ddea9a9ac5184fc.png

Other highlights from this Q2 2020 report on the overall global telecom equipment market include.
Following a 4% year-on-year decline in the first quarter of 2020, the telecommunications equipment market returned to growth in the second quarter. Growth was particularly strong in mobile infrastructure, while slow but positive growth in optical transport and SP routers and Carrier Ethernet switches more than offset the decline in demand for broadband access and microwave transport.

In the first half of 2020, double-digit percentage growth in mobile infrastructure offset declines in investment in broadband access, microwave and optical transport, as well as SP routers and Carrier Ethernet switches.

The stronger-than-expected quarter was driven by a strong rebound in several technology segments in China, including 5G RAN, 5G core, GPON, SP routers and carrier Ethernet switches, and optical transport.
The stabilization of various supply chain disruptions that impacted market performance in some technology sectors in the first quarter also helps explain the output acceleration that occurred during the quarter.


While Covid-19 is still taking a significant human and economic toll, Dell'Oro's analyst team believes that the more optimistic trends of the second quarter will continue into the second half of the year, driving 5 percent growth in the overall telecom equipment market through 2020.
Yes, Huawei is doing very well in its 5G business, because on top of capturing +50% in China's market, there are at least +3 billion-ppl other mkt overseas! (Excluding most of Eu, north am, India,jp, SK). Thats a huge number. And as to chip for 5G stations, as we have exchanged info here, there are solutions, be that 28(?)nm chips etc.. the only other mystery is the high-end chip for smartphones, but their top ppl have said: can be addressed, so they have something behind the scene.. as to other business units: AI, cloud etc.. they too are ok, there are chips for them, or at least some 1-2 yr breathing time..
 

machupicu

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Samsung digs in deep for the chip wars
Tech titan is making a massive push to dominate the non-memory chip market driving AI, 5G and the Internet of Things
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SEOUL – IBM and Nvidia are two vastly different tech businesses but have one thing in common: They both recently announced that Samsung Electronics are making their most advanced semiconductors.

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release the science and capabilities of its next-generation processor chip - and revealed that Samsung would be manufacturing it. On September 1,
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revealed that the Korean giant would also make its next-generation gaming processing unit chips.

The announcements demonstrate that Samsung’s stated ambition to expand its existing dominance of the global memory semiconductor market into the richer, more sophisticated non-memory space is well on track.

It’s a massive ambition and a huge play. Samsung sells 50% of the world’s core memory products: DRAM, found in personal computers and servers, and NAND Flash chips, used primarily in hard drives and consumer electronics.

Now, with a vast universe of new applications appearing in areas such as artificial intelligence (AI), Internet of Things (IoT), 5G and connected self-driving cars – “smartphones on wheels” – a strategic thrust into non-memory is Samsung’s latest diversification.

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Hendrik_2000

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China homegrown nuclear reactor is close to commissioning

China loads fuel at first nuclear unit with home-grown reactor
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Fuel loading has begun at China's first nuclear power unit using Hualong One technology, a domestically developed third-generation reactor design, bringing the unit one step closer to operation.
 

s002wjh

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look like Trump about to sanction SMIC, not surprised, figure Trump eventually will target any China company using US tech

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The Trump administration is considering adding China’s largest semiconductor manufacturer to a trade blacklist, in another sign of heightening U.S.-China technology tensions.
The Defense Department said it is working with other agencies to determine whether the “actions” of Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corp., or SMIC, warrant adding the company to the government’s Entity List, which would block U.S. companies from selling SMIC technology without a license.

“Such an action would ensure that all exports to SMIC would undergo a more comprehensive review,” Pentagon spokeswoman Sue Gough said by email Saturday, confirming an earlier report by
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