News on China's scientific and technological development.

I love how how the media is trying to dissect the competition to buy TikTok. They say Microsoft and Walmart are trying to use their long relations with China to give them the advantage while Oracle is trying to use their relations with Trump. Relations with Trump? Trump doesn't have a say who gets to buy TikTok unless he wants to expose how the US isn't about free capitalism hence why Trump's attack on Chinese technology has everything to do with saving white supremacy and nothing to do with saving people's data from being abused.

Petrolicious88 said:

No, China is now moving to decouple from US technology. It didn’t want to in the beginning, but is now being forced to do it. When you are being chased, you run.

It can never trust US tech again. It can never find itself in a similar situation again where another country has a chokehold on critical technologies. There is no turning back from this. A Manhattan Project like national effort is now in motion to achieve self sufficiency.

Thanks to Trump and his China hawks, the world will be divided into two technology camps.

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Maybe even three or more. I believe that Japan will also decouple, as will the EU. What's happening to China is a wake-up call to Germany. It does not matter which Administration is in power. The United States cannot be trusted and the paradigm of as much self reliance as possible in items of advanced and breakthrough technology from any state that is capable of doing so is going to be followed.

machupicu said:

Huawei's SK factor, and JP factor.
A week or so ago, it was mentioned that Councillor Yang Jiechi went to SK to discuss something about an alliance with CN on semi; previously it was reported that Samsung had built a semi line with no US equipment/software,

"Samsung seems to be more active in this regard. Media reports say Samsung has cooperated with equipment manufacturers in Japan and Europe to build a small, 7nm production line that doesn’t use U.S. equipment. Samsung hopes to actively attract multiple customers through this move.

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What about JP, a pic here:

”In November, Chairman Liang Hua of Huawei Technologies told a group of corporate executives and academics in Tokyo that his company plans to spend close to US$10 billion on procurement in Japan this year – more than double the amount it spent two years ago – and even more in 2020.

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China has little choice for now than to try to keep as good relations as possible with Japan, without overly kissing its butt.

Weaasel said:

China has little choice for now than to try to keep as good relations as possible with Japan, without overly kissing its butt.

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Both China and Japan need bilateral trades despite what Jp said it is pulling out some companies out of China. China is just too huge a market for Jp to ignore or leave it off table, the bilateral trade is approx $350 billions/year, so Jp has to also think about its future.

A little OT, but China needs to win the world over as a country that promotes each country is "free and independent" and is better off using Chinese tech as they do not bother to care for there internal politics. To sell this message they really needs to market itself better by using younger/cooler fluent chinese english speakers that can use english more eloquently. I think there must be a big lost in translation when going from Chinese to English. Even for me, some of the messaging they have just sounds bad... and will get twisted by western media to sell "china evil"

Don't believe US allies are sophisticated. Everyone is motivated by self-serving interests. They all want to make money from both the US and China. Don't think they're Kool-Aids drinkers that will follow the US blindly because of ideology. Those that seem to be, like members of the Five Eyes alliance, are only following the US because they're betting on the US beating a unconditionally surrendering China and then the US will share the spoils with them first. Why doesn't Trump just break off relations entirely like he's threatened in the past and doing again today? If the US needs no one but everyone needs the US, then why not? That's because it's a lie and a bluff thinking China will panic and then deal. China was suppose to collapse day one of Trump's trade war and it's been two years and China shows no sign of collapsing. But instead of completely decoupling, he's doing it a piece at a time because he's trying apply pressure to make China yield. To completely disengage will expose how the US is not as independent as they would like to believe. The US is still mired in the coronavirus economy while China is growing. Shouldn't it be the other way around? It's not so it's absurd to believe the US wins without China surrendering. And they're all in panic showing their bluster because they don't want to look weak. Look at Taiwan. They first acted like they don't need the China market. Now they're looking to revamp their economy beyond chips like it is now. No need to revamp if they see no problems ahead. Taiwan unlike China can be destroyed by Trump's whims. Taiwan wants to be the new Hong Kong. There's no Hong Kong without China. If the US collapses, you don't think all these countries won't be making a 180 degree turn and sucking up to China like a thirsty baby abandoned by mommy?

latenlazy said:

What you’re describing isn’t what basic research is...

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"Basic research focuses on the search for truth or the development of theory. Because of this property, basic research is fundamental. Researchers with their fundamental background knowledge “design studies that can test, refine, modify, or develop theories.”

Generally, these researchers are affiliated with an academic institution, and they perform this research as part of their graduate or doctoral works. Gathering knowledge for knowledge’s sake is the sole .

Basic research is also called pure research. Basic research is driven by a scientist’s curiosity or interest in a scientific question."


That is exactly what I am describing. Like I said, the "THEORETICAL science level."

machupicu said:

Both China and Japan need bilateral trades despite what Jp said it is pulling out some companies out of China. China is just too huge a market for Jp to ignore or leave it off table, the bilateral trade is approx $350 billions/year, so Jp has to also think about its future.

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gadgetcool5 said:

"Basic research focuses on the search for truth or the development of theory. Because of this property, basic research is fundamental. Researchers with their fundamental background knowledge “design studies that can test, refine, modify, or develop theories.”

Generally, these researchers are affiliated with an academic institution, and they perform this research as part of their graduate or doctoral works. Gathering knowledge for knowledge’s sake is the sole

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Basic research is also called pure research. Basic research is driven by a scientist’s curiosity or interest in a scientific question."

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That is exactly what I am describing. Like I said, the "THEORETICAL science level."

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5G coding system was based on a technical paper by a Turkish prof on what's called polar coding. At the time the head of Huawei wireless, Mr. Wen Tong(?) ex Nortel guy, saw it on a tech journal, so he and Huawei put tons of money, ppl and resources into this and within 10 yrs Huawei had a huge success on 5G.

In articles by Spengler (Goldman) on atimes.com he sometimes/occasionally downplayed Chinese scientists' contributions, saying that over 50% are discovered by the 23 Huawei research centers around the world..anyway, you can't belittle either side, both Chinese and overseas ppl combined their knowledge and research.

A week ago when Mr. Ren mentioned about moving resources from Huawei USA to Huawei Russia, he said that Russia is a major theoretical center, and something that China is heading towards that level,too.

btw, stealth tech (f117 etc) was first described in mathematical modelling by a ussr scientist in a tech paper, then a Pentagon scientist saw that and further developed it lol

gadgetcool5 said:

"Basic research focuses on the search for truth or the development of theory. Because of this property, basic research is fundamental. Researchers with their fundamental background knowledge “design studies that can test, refine, modify, or develop theories.”

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That is exactly what I am describing. Like I said, the "THEORETICAL science level."

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Stuff that gets patented, generated from corporate spending, is not theoretical science. It’s applied.

latenlazy said:

Stuff that gets patented, generated from corporate spending, is not theoretical science. It’s applied.

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Hi "latenlazy,

So true, and especially in Shenzhen is where actual innovation (hardware) is being done, hopefully in Beijing a cluster of small software SME is being encourage and supported , wish to see them prosper especially in these trying times