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machupicu

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This is going to help screw the Taiwanese economy to bits but give Chinese the greatest incentive to become independent. Trump will destroy the reputation of American goods being trustworthy which his actions so short term pain for long term gain. Unfortunately the ultimate losers will be Taiwan and the USA. Hence this will give many nations the incentive not to rely on the USA for anything again since they will now betray you at the drop of the hat. Honestly, what good is going to come of the USA preventing companies from selling there goods to China. Honestly many of these companies are either going to go bankrupt or that have to be propped up by the USA for survival. i wonder if those printing machines are going to last much longer
Indeed, as we know from this forum and news, Huawei has at least 3 different semiconductor lines being set up for its 7nm chips:
1. A member here mentioned a line already set up in Beijing. Furthermore, another new line coming in with new SMEE machine.

2. It is reported that Samsung is working on a special line,
"South Korea's exports to China double these of the U.S., and Samsung has already set up a 7-nanometer chip production line with only Japanese and European equipment while hailing these sanctions on chip sales to Huawei as unacceptable"
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3. Unless Trump is now pressuring Japan to not sell machines to China,, it's likely companies in China are buying from Tokyo Electron,
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machupicu

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This is going to help screw the Taiwanese economy to bits but give Chinese the greatest incentive to become independent. Trump will destroy the reputation of American goods being trustworthy which his actions so short term pain for long term gain. Unfortunately the ultimate losers will be Taiwan and the USA. Hence this will give many nations the incentive not to rely on the USA for anything again since they will now betray you at the drop of the hat. Honestly, what good is going to come of the USA preventing companies from selling there goods to China. Honestly many of these companies are either going to go bankrupt or that have to be propped up by the USA for survival. i wonder if those printing machines are going to last much longer
It was reported that recently Yang Jiechi went to SK to discuss about alliance with Samsung on semiconductor lines,

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latenlazy

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I agree. I'm longer somewhat irritated by the lack of investment in basic & fundamental research. Most of the R&D money indeed goes to short term product development instead of real scientific research aka basic & fundamental research.
Fundamental research defines your potential tech pipeline 20-30-50 years out, but a lot of the developments in fundamental research are open source and globalized. For all the US’s strengths in fundamental research its tech industry has started losing steam precisely because of a large gap in applied research. China will need to increase its fundamental research capacity once its fully caught up to push its own leads, and fundamental research can help leapfrog applied developments if you’re lucky (though depending on this approach is actually really expensive and inefficient), but it’s not really crucial for China’s tech developments in the near term. This is something China should increase support for gradually, but what’s most critical for China’s practical tech capabilities, the stuff that goes to market or is put into implementation, is still that applied research component.
 

ansy1968

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I dont know if Huawei is trying down play Harmony OS, but it seems like it may take a while for it to be install or use in phone.

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Richard Yu, CEO of Huawei’s consumer business, unveiled HarmonyOS at Huawei Developer Conference 2019. After a year, Huawei Developer Conference 2020 is about to kick off.
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machupicu

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"In May 2020, the Commerce Department expanded these rules to require contract chip producers anywhere in the world who use US semiconductor equipment and technology to acquire its approval before producing chips designed by Huawei’s subsidiary HiSilicon which then go into Huawei products.

Because the US is a leader in global chip equipment and design software business, it will be difficult for Huawei to find workarounds.
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Actually, more worrisome is the entire approach. A strategy of high-tech decoupling meant to weaken and isolate China’s semiconductor and telecom sectors, in fact, is likely to result in the opposite of what its advocates seek to achieve.

Such an approach would hurt the economies of the US and its allies and damage US national security as well.
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, US chip equipment firms, which have roughly 60,000 domestic employees, account for at least half of global production and in several areas are the only supplier. The US is even more dominant in chip design software, controlling 80% of the global market.

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ansy1968

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Photoresist for EUV passed acceptance in 2018. Changchun EUV Project making progress?
Hi WTAN,

Your a sight for sore eyes, always waiting for new info from you. Is there any additional news regarding the situation in Huawei? their progress regarding their FAB plan and other business?

A newbie question, Photoresist is the chemical use for EUV?
 

Weaasel

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The US microchips industry has become increasingly anxious over the White House's reckless ban on Huawei Technologies, a major client for many American technology manufacturers, which worry about lost sales and an inevitable decline in their competence in the coming years.

A key feature of the microchips industry is that it is relying on digital devices makers to consume the chips, without which chip producers cannot achieve economies of scale and make a profit to support research and development, industry analysts said.

China is the largest chip consumer in the world, with a market scale equal to the total of the US, EU and Japan combined. In the first half of 2020, the rev-enue of China's chip industry rose 16.1 percent to reach 353.9 billion yuan ($51.46 billion). The full-year figure is likely to reach 876.6 billion yuan, ac-cording to data released at the second World Semiconductor Conference, held from Wednesday to Friday.

In addition to boosting the local chip industry, China has also ramped up im-ports to meet growing domestic demand. Wei Shaojun, a microelectronics and nano-electronics professor at Tsinghua University, said that China's chip imports in 2020 are expected to exceed $300 billion for the third consecutive year.

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Geng Bo, deputy secretary-general of the China Solid State Lighting Alliance, a semiconductor industry association, told the Global Times Thursday that robust demand from Chinese high-tech firms and the vast consumer market have supported the growth of US chipmakers - not only financially but also in terms of feedback and data for their progress.

"Huawei has witnessed rapid growth in its customer-oriented products in re-cent years from smartphones to pads with state-of-the-art technologies, which helped boost the whole microchips industry," said Geng.

Continuation of the bilateral conflict could jeopardize US semiconductor companies' ability to do business in China on an equal footing with their competitors and could dent the estimated $49 billion of revenue that the US semiconductor industry derived from Chinese device manufacturers, according to a Boston Consulting Group report in March.

SEMI, the industry association serving the global electronics design and manufacturing supply chain, released a statement Monday saying the US Commerce Department's decision to significantly expand unilateral restrictions will likely lead to more lost sales, eroding the customer base for US-origin items.

"The new restrictions will also fuel a perception that the supply of US technology is unreliable and lead non-US customers to call for the design-out of US technology. Meanwhile, these actions further incentivize efforts to supplant these U.S. technologies," read the statement.

Previously, Qualcomm was reportedly lobbying the US government to allow it to sell chips to Huawei.

"Qualcomm has a mixed stance on the Huawei ban," Bryan Wong, principal researcher at the Suning Institute of Finance in Nanjing, East China's Jiangsu Province, told the Global Times on Thursday.

The US chipmaker might gain from the ban due to some areas of rivalry with Huawei. But there could be negative side effects for Qualcomm, Wong said, in terms of market response. "Many smartphone vendors like Xiaomi use Qualcomm chips, so if Qualcomm suspends chip supplies, it will lead domestic manufacturers to believe that the US company is unreliable as a supplier," Wong stated.

Concerns are already showing up in Qualcomm's sliding market share and profits in the Chinese market. Chinese market accounted for about 65 percent of the US firm's revenue, according to Wong.

Ma Jihua, a veteran industry analyst, warned of a slowdown in the develop-ment of the global chip industry, from research and development (R&D) to investment to chip manufacturing...

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It is over. China will NEVER again revert to dependency on foreign chips, equipment, and materials used to make semiconductors and IC chips. China's self reliance with regards to gaining the capability of producing any high tech product worth producing is going full throttle and will never stop as long as China exists.
Can India Achieve Self Reliance In Semiconductor Manufacturing

The semiconductor industry has become a strategic sector and has a tremendous economic impact. But India lags behind in semiconductor manufacturing compared to other developed countries. Many experts have said that India needs to design and manufacture critical components involved in storage and processing, and this is important for our national security.

The electronics and semiconductor requirements for various sectors including defence, IT, manufacturing is critical for the future of India’s economy, but we are totally dependent on imports as of now...

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It is in India's interests to try and even to succeed, if India truly wants to be independent and not face an embargo from countries in the future at any time.
 

Weaasel

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I don’t think India can ever catch up in regards to super conductor chips, they are already having to rely on foreign imports of fighter planes (some of which may be second hand trash from France), how on earth can they even try to make super conductor chips, they do t even have the money to begin such a process


I does not matter... They have got to try... They can certainly improve themselves much more than the current level at which they are... I believe that even the most China hating Indian nationalist realizes that they themselves could in future be the targets of a Western embargo or that of any country that possess sophisticated IC chip, chip equipment, and semiconductor materials manufacturing technology for whatever reason.
 
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