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China is still not a strong innovator, with the bulk of its R&D spending going on short-term product development instead of basic research, according to a study released in November by the State Council’s policy think tank.

The study warned that the present level of basic research would not be able to support Beijing’s ambition of technological upgrade in the manufacturing sector.

Despite having an edge in terms of quantity, studies by Chinese researchers were not cited as often as the international average. The commercial value of
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was also low, with the revenue from Chinese intellectual property trade accounting for less than 5 per cent of the world’s total, the study said.

That point was underlined last week in the OECD’s Main Science and Technology Indicators report, which covered statistics up to 2018. The report said the US committed 2.8 per cent of its GDP to R&D expenditure, while Germany earmarked 3.1 per cent and Japan 3.3 per cent. Mainland China spent 2.1 per cent in the area for the same period, compared with Taiwan’s 3.5 per cent.

The contrast is even clearer when basic research spending is expressed as a percentage of GDP. The US commitment stood at 0.47 per cent in 2018, while China’s share was 0.12 per cent only.

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The point here is not to denigrate China's efforts but to point out China still has a long way to go.
 
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gadgetcool5 said:
The point here is not to denigrate China's efforts but to point out China still has a long way to go.
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By that standard, then the United States has a long way to go ...

On quantum communications ...
On 5G networks ...
On anti-ship ballistic missiles ...
On hypersonic weapons ...
On mundane things like trains with high speed rail ...

The point here is not to denigrate the United State's efforts but to point out United State still has a long way to go.

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gadgetcool5 said:
China is still not a strong innovator, with the bulk of its R&D spending going on short-term product development instead of basic research, according to a study released in November by the State Council’s policy think tank.

The study warned that the present level of basic research would not be able to support Beijing’s ambition of technological upgrade in the manufacturing sector.

Despite having an edge in terms of quantity, studies by Chinese researchers were not cited as often as the international average. The commercial value of
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was also low, with the revenue from Chinese intellectual property trade accounting for less than 5 per cent of the world’s total, the study said.

That point was underlined last week in the OECD’s Main Science and Technology Indicators report, which covered statistics up to 2018. The report said the US committed 2.8 per cent of its GDP to R&D expenditure, while Germany earmarked 3.1 per cent and Japan 3.3 per cent. Mainland China spent 2.1 per cent in the area for the same period, compared with Taiwan’s 3.5 per cent.

The contrast is even clearer when basic research spending is expressed as a percentage of GDP. The US commitment stood at 0.47 per cent in 2018, while China’s share was 0.12 per cent only.

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The point here is not to denigrate China's efforts but to point out China still has a long way to go.
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Remember that the goal is not to spend more; it's to achieve as much as you can on what you spend. Other than that, this is not a bad post actually. It shows China's efficiency in its scientific march, how it commits and spends less but often can achieve comparable or more. It shows China's enormous potential waiting to be tapped into and that's what scares the US. Everybody has a long way to go but the Chinese move faster with greater ease, and are only now starting to crank up the pace. I'm proud of everything China has done but I never advocate for resting on past achievements.
 
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Interesting venture capital show from China called 创业英雄汇
This episode has 2 entrepreneurs with exoskeleton ventures. The first one (2:50) shows powered exoskeleton focused on the military and logistics market. Target market price: 15,000 yuan (compared to 100,000 yuan cost of similar models from Japan). Second entrepreneur who is an ex soldier (21:10) presents a non-powered exoskeleton focused on search and rescue, military, and recreational market to enable users to carry greater weight over greater distances. Advantages: low cost and no battery requirements. Designed for long duration use and mass market, with a target mass production cost of ~2000 yuan.
 
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Despite having an edge in terms of quantity, studies by Chinese researchers were not cited as often as the international average. The commercial value of
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was also low, with the revenue from Chinese intellectual property trade accounting for less than 5 per cent of the world’s total, the study said.
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I think these and the Nobel prizes are "lagging indicators". They reflect China's lack of R&D in the past. Currently, China has the world's best academic institutions in pretty much all branches of science except the life science, according to Nature Index. China's R&D programs are also becoming world class, indicated by the sharp increase in high quality research papers, also according to Nature Index, which only counts high quality research papers.
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According to Japan's National Institute of Science and Technology Policy:
The number of research papers turned out by China has jumped 18 times from the average for 1996 to 1998, and 3.6 times from the 2006-2008 period.

The quality of Chinese research papers is approaching that of the U.S. as well. Of the top 10% most-cited papers in 2017, the U.S. generated 24.7%, while China was a close second with a 22% share.

Looking at the top 1% of cited research papers, the U.S. was responsible for 29.3%, with China issuing 21.9%.

U.S. and Chinese papers differ in terms of areas of specialization. China boasts a high share of papers in materials science, chemistry, engineering, computer science and mathematics. The U.S., meanwhile, concentrates on clinical medicine and basic life sciences.
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In my opinion, in the future, the "lagging indicators" such as Nobel prizes and patent revenues will look much more favorable to China.

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That point was underlined last week in the OECD’s Main Science and Technology Indicators report, which covered statistics up to 2018. The report said the US committed 2.8 per cent of its GDP to R&D expenditure, while Germany earmarked 3.1 per cent and Japan 3.3 per cent. Mainland China spent 2.1 per cent in the area for the same period, compared with Taiwan’s 3.5 per cent.

The contrast is even clearer when basic research spending is expressed as a percentage of GDP. The US commitment stood at 0.47 per cent in 2018, while China’s share was 0.12 per cent only.
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I think we also need to look at those in PPP terms.
 
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For sure it will be rejected! BIS/Trump wanted Huawei to die, it won't make sense they tightened the screws but then release it again.


Mediatek goes all in with request to supply chips to Huawei

Taiwanese chip-maker Mediatek reportedly thinks it can supply Huawei without getting put on the US naughty step, but is double-checking just to make sure.

The report comes courtesy of Reuters, which
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Mediatek has applied for permission from the US to keep supplying Huawei with chips. “MediaTek reiterates its respect for following relevant orders and rules on global trade, and has already applied for permission with the U.S. side in accordance with the rules,” it said in a statement given to Reuters.

Mediatek would presumably only bother to ask if it thought it could supply chips free of any American intellectual property. Earlier this month Uncle Sam
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that he will bring his full wrath to bear on anyone who thinks about selling Huawei any kit that the US has had even the most superficial involvement in...

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machupicu said:
For sure it will be rejected! BIS/Trump wanted Huawei to die, it won't make sense they tightened the screws but then release it again.


Mediatek goes all in with request to supply chips to Huawei

Taiwanese chip-maker Mediatek reportedly thinks it can supply Huawei without getting put on the US naughty step, but is double-checking just to make sure.

The report comes courtesy of Reuters, which
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Mediatek has applied for permission from the US to keep supplying Huawei with chips. “MediaTek reiterates its respect for following relevant orders and rules on global trade, and has already applied for permission with the U.S. side in accordance with the rules,” it said in a statement given to Reuters.

Mediatek would presumably only bother to ask if it thought it could supply chips free of any American intellectual property. Earlier this month Uncle Sam
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that he will bring his full wrath to bear on anyone who thinks about selling Huawei any kit that the US has had even the most superficial involvement in...

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This is going to help screw the Taiwanese economy to bits but give Chinese the greatest incentive to become independent. Trump will destroy the reputation of American goods being trustworthy which his actions so short term pain for long term gain. Unfortunately the ultimate losers will be Taiwan and the USA. Hence this will give many nations the incentive not to rely on the USA for anything again since they will now betray you at the drop of the hat. Honestly, what good is going to come of the USA preventing companies from selling there goods to China. Honestly many of these companies are either going to go bankrupt or that have to be propped up by the USA for survival. i wonder if those printing machines are going to last much longer
 
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gadgetcool5 said:
China is still not a strong innovator, with the bulk of its R&D spending going on short-term product development instead of basic research, according to a study released in November by the State Council’s policy think tank.

The study warned that the present level of basic research would not be able to support Beijing’s ambition of technological upgrade in the manufacturing sector.

Despite having an edge in terms of quantity, studies by Chinese researchers were not cited as often as the international average. The commercial value of
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was also low, with the revenue from Chinese intellectual property trade accounting for less than 5 per cent of the world’s total, the study said.

That point was underlined last week in the OECD’s Main Science and Technology Indicators report, which covered statistics up to 2018. The report said the US committed 2.8 per cent of its GDP to R&D expenditure, while Germany earmarked 3.1 per cent and Japan 3.3 per cent. Mainland China spent 2.1 per cent in the area for the same period, compared with Taiwan’s 3.5 per cent.

The contrast is even clearer when basic research spending is expressed as a percentage of GDP. The US commitment stood at 0.47 per cent in 2018, while China’s share was 0.12 per cent only.

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The point here is not to denigrate China's efforts but to point out China still has a long way to go.
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I agree. I'm longer somewhat irritated by the lack of investment in basic & fundamental research. Most of the R&D money indeed goes to short term product development instead of real scientific research aka basic & fundamental research.
 
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