News on China's scientific and technological development.

gadgetcool5 said:

China's made some progress, but it's not enough. According to the most recent estimates, the United States spends 17% and China spends 6% of its annual R&D funds on basic research. That amounts to the United States ($86 billion) and China ($19 billion). in a recent year. Actually, China is very close to the US and gaining very quickly despite spending less, and that's why it's so worrying for Washington.

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China is already decades behind on basic research than the U.S. But it only spends a fraction of what the U.S. does on basic research per year. Thus not only is it behind, but it is falling further and further behind every year.

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manqiangrexue said:

That's just a foolish thing to say. What does it mean to be decades behind on basic research? That China will take decades to catch up, that China take decades to get to where the US is now or that China is now where the US was decades ago? Every one of them sounds wrong and if they weren't, there wouldn't be panic in the US.

So first you tried to measure basic science in time, which is not a unit of measure for research, and then you tried to measure scientific progress in money in order to conclude that the US is progressing faster, but money is also not a measure of scientific progress and American spending is notoriously inefficient compared to Chinese spending. Your entire argument is based on made up or incorrect units of measure.

Also, you need to work on your reading comprehension because your article is a 2017 article that says that the US federal government spent only 44% of the $86B basic research budget in 2015, the rest being shouldered privately. When I searched for your 17% claim, it said that in 1995, private spending on basic research was 17%, which has nothing to do with your claim. It's 5 years outdated back to the Obama government which didn't shun science. Either you are illiterate or were trying to pull one over hoping no one would read your article.

Fun Fact: When China accounts for basic research spending, it does NOT factor in salaries of personnel while the West does.

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gadgetcool5 said:

US spends about $500 billion on R&D and $86 billion on basic research in 2015. It's not that hard to do the math 86/500 = 17%

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gadgetcool5 said:

Also: Take it from the Global Times:

" Basic research in China averaged around 5 percent of total R&D expenditure between 2000 to 2016, while the share of applied research dropped from 16.9 percent to 10.3 percent. Over the same period, the US poured 17.7 percent of its R&D funding into basic research and 20.3 percent into applied research. In nominal terms, China’s basic and applied expenditure was roughly $70 billion in 2016, more than South Korea ($30.5 billion), Japan ($53 billion), but significantly less than that of the US ($186.6 billion). "

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R&D is the backbone of innovation. It supports the development of new scientific methods, technologies, and commercial goods - all of which can boost economic productivity and raise living standards. After decades of export led-growth, China is increasingly turning to innovation as a driver for...

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Even China's Science and Technology minister admits this is a weakness:

" Regarded by Wang as “the source of all technological innovation” and currently a “weakness of China’s science and technology sector”, basic research has now become a priority as the nation seeks to catch up as a technology leader. Basic research aims to improve scientific theories — which can then be used to improve applied technologies and techniques. "

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Beijing has called on the private sector to beef up its investment in basic research, which is seen as a foundation for China to cut its reliance on foreign technology and achieve its ambition of becoming a global tech superpower

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gadgetcool5 said:

So you don't have to keyboard warrior so hard.

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Nobino said:

Desperation. US never really developed basic technologies. That's why most raw & specialized chemicals comes from Japan. The other technologies can be bought with money. If not that, China should focus on Japan & South Korean engineers. Las time i have checked they are already doing that.

The "Dependency" on US is result of laziness, not so called US superiority.

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, a political tug of war over TikTok has become an opportunity to nab an app with a huge fan following.

The company confirmed Thursday that it’s teaming up with

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to buy the tech platform, which is owned by Beijing-based ByteDance.




TikTok’s parent company is looking for a buyer after the U.S. government pushed for a ban of the app and alleged the Chinese government could access user data. TikTok has denied those allegations and is challenging the U.S. government in a lawsuit. ByteDance is weighing other offers, including one from

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, but could pick the buyer in coming days, according to people familiar with the matter.

For some, the big-box retailer — best known for its giant Supercenters and its low prices — may seem like an unlikely buyer for the tech platform of viral videos and numerous teenage users. Yet Walmart’s background as a retailer rather than a tech company may actually give it an edge. Some companies, such as

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or

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, have been boxed out of the bidding war because they already have a huge tech presence and would raise antitrust concerns.

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manqiangrexue said:

Chinese spending is far more efficient than American spending (that's aside from the nominal to PPP conversion)

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manqiangrexue said:

Your article says nothing about $500B, and there is no reason to use 2015 as any benchmark. Chinese spending is far more efficient than American spending (that's aside from the nominal to PPP conversion), and China is actually very close and moving much faster than the US in every field for much less money, causing the current panic in the white house. Your entire argument is nonsense and it's shown by your sorry attempts to salvage it by grasping at such a small detail


Your answer to my assertions that 1. the same money goes farther in China than in America, 2. your data is outdated by years, 3. China counts its basic R&D spending differently from the US, not accounting for salaries, and 4. China is still moving faster than the US despite the lower spending, is to show that the US did spend more money in 2016.

So you don't have to be a keyboard no-spine so stupid.

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machupicu said:

5G in US averages 51Mbps while other countries hit hundreds of megabits

Average 5G download speeds in the US are 50.9Mbps, a nice step up from average 4G speeds but far behind several countries where 5G speeds are in the 200Mbps to 400Mbps range. These statistics were

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, which presented average 5G speeds in 12 countries based on

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conducted between May 16 and August 14. The US came in last of the 12 countries in 5G speeds, with 10 of the 11 other countries posting 5G speeds that at least doubled those of the US.

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gadgetcool5 said:

China's made some progress, but it's not enough. According to the most recent estimates, the United States spends 17% and China spends 6% of its annual R&D funds on basic research. That amounts to the United States ($86 billion) and China ($19 billion). in a recent year.

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China is already decades behind on basic research than the U.S. But it only spends a fraction of what the U.S. does on basic research per year. Thus not only is it behind, but it is falling further and further behind every year.

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