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vincent

Grumpy Old Man
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Hendrik, the semiconductor production process uses a lot of specialized chemicals, gases and others that only the Hegemon can provide
 

AndrewS

Brigadier
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It is only a retreat if most major Chinese high tech companies survived and emerged stronger. Right now, it is an attempt to destroy Chinese high tech giants before it is too late. Semiconductor is the last stranglehold that Americans have over China and the rest of the world.

But that attempt will fail.

No matter what happens, the Chinese government will not allow its hi-tech giants to be destroyed.
They'll be supported until American technology has been completely removed.
 

Weaasel

Senior Member
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OUTSIDE THE BOX THINKING

What if China also directly financed Japanese, Korean, and/or European in addition to Chinese companies to produce chip making equipment, chip making materials , and IC chips for the Chinese domestic market that are just one generation behind state of the art that do not possess a single bit of US made content?
 

Weaasel

Senior Member
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Hendrik, the semiconductor production process uses a lot of specialized chemicals, gases and others that only the Hegemon can provide

Is this situation absolutely the case and impossible to change? The Japanese and Germans if paid can probably quickly change that. China can pay them to make equipment and synthesize materials using absolutely no US made parts.
 

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
Hendrik, the semiconductor production process uses a lot of specialized chemicals, gases and others that only the Hegemon can provide

Well there is many way you can bypass the ban How about setting dummy companies in third countries ?. Or produce on your own I think that is not a big hurdle to produce specialized gases and chemicals given the level of Chemical industries in China which is quite sophisticated. Sofar they hae=ven't gone itno it because it does not make economical sense since the demand is small But if it government mandate it I am pretty sure some of the SOE can do it .

Yes then need to make sputnik moment now and do Manhattan style project if they are going to live And if not then they deserve to die
 

horse

Colonel
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It is only a retreat if most major Chinese high tech companies survived and emerged stronger. Right now, it is an attempt to destroy Chinese high tech giants before it is too late. Semiconductor is the last stranglehold that Americans have over China and the rest of the world.
Well, I do not disagree with what you are saying, but what if it is a retreat by the part of the Americans?

From the Chinese perspective, Qualcomm was here selling stuff. Now they're gone! They left China.

This probably has implications, which no one thought of.

Would the rest of the world are willing to follow the Americans in retreat from the China market?

That kind of underscores a big issue, this is about American leadership over its minions. If the leader is weak and retreating, how enthusiastic will the minions be?

I think, that is what we may be thinking about.

The new sanctions, are they American strength or American weakness?

One thing is true about these new sanctions, this part of the tech war cannot be fought to a stalemate, this is all or nothing.

If they made the move on American strength, they would win for sure. If the move was based on American weakness, then they would lose for sure.

Maybe it is like when they started bombing Cambodia. Sure that was a display of American firepower, but also a clear sign they lost the plot, and eventually would go home without accomplishing anything.

What the CCP has to do next, has to be inline with this, I would believe. I think it is interesting.

:)
 

horse

Colonel
Registered Member
Maybe thinking out loud here, if the new sanctions is based on American strength, then hit them back with sanctions on the rare earths. Strength against strength.

If the new sanctions is based on American weakness, then exploit that, find a way to do that. This so-called American lead containment effort of China, is not exactly a uniform effort.

They can count on Boris! At least for now.

:D
 
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