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Jiang ZeminFanboy

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Lobbying the US to keep selling chips to China is like lobbying the British for more opium because you can't handle your withdrawal symptoms. I never want to see another American chip in China again, not even a Dorito. Qualcomm should be permanently banned, no more tech opium.

Biden? No way. If America elects Biden, the world may see that as a chance of hope that American can return to its leadership position. I want Trump Trump Trump until the US goes down like the Soviet Union. I want all US allies to know that this is the man that America wants to represent them and the America of this year with all its disasters, failures, criminal activity and diplomatic transgressions is the norm going forward. I want either Dotard himself to change the American constitution (to the backdrop of American cities burning under protests) so he can continue past the second term or for one of his imbecile sons to be elected after him. Let American allies know that America is gone forever.

2025?? By 2025 Huawei will probably lead the world in semiconductor production. Next year SMEE comes out with its DUV capable of making 7nm chips and Huawei has been looking into dual processor designs. Unlike all other generations where the packing density is doubled, 7nm to 5nm is not that big a leap. Huawei can likely overcome the difference just by design.

China has more people than the US and EU combined, more stem talent than the entire developed world combined; if China can't get this done in record time, Chinese people don't deserve to use cellphones!
There's much more than a single SMEE lithography machine. For now, there's no 14 nm fab fully made with Chinese tech if it will be made in 2021 we should scream with happiness. Better buy a new flagship Huawei phone, because you won't see that chance for the next 5 years, I will do it soon.
 

free_6ix9ine

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There's much more than a single SMEE lithography machine. For now, there's no 14 nm fab fully made with Chinese tech if it will be made in 2021 we should scream with happiness. Better buy a new flagship Huawei phone, because you won't see that chance for the next 5 years, I will do it soon.

Lithography is the bottleneck. Pretty sure everything else is much less challenging.
 

free_6ix9ine

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It is considered a threat because mobile phone business side for Huawei contributes to their market cap and productivity, therefore contributes to their R&D and project funding power. R&D and projects that also involve various telecomm technologies that when applied can cut the US out of spying on others with their own systems e.g. CISCO etc who have all been proven to have backdoors and proven to have spied for the US gov and higher up. Microsoft, Google, Facebook, Youtube, Twitter, Apple ... all continue to spy for the US gov. Again this is all common but often ignored knowledge because of the decades of US brainwashing and morality posturing to those who still benefit from their regime reign.

Plus they also just don't want a Chinese technology company that is wealthy and doing well. They even destroyed French, German, Taiwanese, and Japanese technology companies. If not destroyed, at least attempted to or bought off or threatened or leashed in one way or another e.g. TSMC and ASML for the latter group. There aren't that many strategically important non-US tech companies that don't fall into one of these categories; 1. attempted to sabotage 2. bought off either board influence, outright or otherwise 3. threatened to comply with their demands 4. punished for violating their selfish wishes.

They try to always play this game. It's the first time they had to do it against a country that is not under US military control. History doesn't mean they will be successful this time.
 

free_6ix9ine

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Lobbying the US to keep selling chips to China is like lobbying the British for more opium because you can't handle your withdrawal symptoms. I never want to see another American chip in China again, not even a Dorito. Qualcomm should be permanently banned, no more tech opium.

Biden? No way. If America elects Biden, the world may see that as a chance of hope that American can return to its leadership position. I want Trump Trump Trump until the US goes down like the Soviet Union. I want all US allies to know that this is the man that America wants to represent them and the America of this year with all its disasters, failures, criminal activity and diplomatic transgressions is the norm going forward. I want either Dotard himself to change the American constitution (to the backdrop of American cities burning under protests) so he can continue past the second term or for one of his imbecile sons to be elected after him. Let American allies know that America is gone forever.

2025?? By 2025 Huawei will probably lead the world in semiconductor production. Next year SMEE comes out with its DUV capable of making 7nm chips and Huawei has been looking into dual processor designs. Unlike all other generations where the packing density is doubled, 7nm to 5nm is not that big a leap. Huawei can likely overcome the difference just by design.

China has more people than the US and EU combined, more stem talent than the entire developed world combined; if China can't get this done in record time, Chinese people don't deserve to use cellphones!

I'm divided on this, one hand I can see Trump making America weaker for sure. But I wonder if this narrative is more propaganda from CNN than truth. Biden may try to "rebuild" alliances, however that could also mean allies like South Korea or Germany who benefit from doing business with China will have more flexibility to do business with China as opposed to the strong arming tactics of Trump.

The genie is outside the bottle, never again will we make the mistake of being reliant on US tech. I can't see the trend of building our own ecosystem slowing down regardless of Biden or Trump in office.

Also the megatrend of US decline isn't going to stop with Biden. A divided country, that is debasing its currency with a non-functioning political system isn't going to recover anytime soon.
 

ansy1968

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There's much more than a single SMEE lithography machine. For now, there's no 14 nm fab fully made with Chinese tech if it will be made in 2021 we should scream with happiness. Better buy a new flagship Huawei phone, because you won't see that chance for the next 5 years, I will do it soon.
Hi ILikeChina,

This pandemic and the coming economic recession will give Huawei the time it needed to stay relevant in the cellphone business. with less money to spend and the future look uncertain, consumer will hold on to their old phone and defer new purchase. It will affect the sales of major phone producer for 2 years or more.
 

manqiangrexue

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I'm divided on this, one hand I can see Trump making America weaker for sure. But I wonder if this narrative is more propaganda from CNN than truth. Biden may try to "rebuild" alliances, however that could also mean allies like South Korea or Germany who benefit from doing business with China will have more flexibility to do business with China as opposed to the strong arming tactics of Trump.

The genie is outside the bottle, never again will we make the mistake of being reliant on US tech. I can't see the trend of building our own ecosystem slowing down regardless of Biden or Trump in office.

Also the megatrend of US decline isn't going to stop with Biden. A divided country, that is debasing its currency with a non-functioning political system isn't going to recover anytime soon.
I don't think Biden's a capable leader either but I think the most immediate effect of a Biden presidency would be a breath of desperately needed fresh air for America's alliances. Immediately, the EU might want to show goodwill to return to the old US leadership and America will embrace that; together, they will create a new, more diplomatic but organized and united front against China. And another effect may be that China might have to show goodwill as well to make it look like everything's water under the bridge after Trump's departure just so China doesn't look like a country stuck on a Trump grudge while the whole world has moved forward. And this goodwill likely encompasses international orders to re-establish global supply chains and globalized supply lines, which America will accept and reciprocate by lifting the tech ban. It might not crush China's new drive for tech independence but it will bleed from it significantly. Right now, China is in full combat mode; get things done as fast as possible, ready for any short term immediate pain. Scientists toiling night and day giving 110% effort under maximal pressure to save the country is exactly what things look like leading to eurika! (For me, it is quite frankly reminiscent of Einstein's final push to complete the Manhattan project.) But if this effort is bled by the influx of foreign components again, the pressure released, the pace might be dropped down to a get-it-done-sometime-in-the-next-few-years rate, and who knows where it goes from there? I want another 4 years of Trump to help China finish this push.

There's much more than a single SMEE lithography machine. For now, there's no 14 nm fab fully made with Chinese tech if it will be made in 2021 we should scream with happiness. Better buy a new flagship Huawei phone, because you won't see that chance for the next 5 years, I will do it soon.
While there is more to it than the lithograph, they are all moving forward and the lithograph is the bottleneck. I bet you it takes nowhere near 5 years for Huawei to come up with a new flagship (if there is any stop at all) and in either case, I'll leave that purchase to another true fan who needs it because I have never spent more than $50 on a phone (secondhand; I don't buy new) and want nothing more than what my basic phone already does.
 
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Equation

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It might not crush China's new drive for tech independence but it will bleed from it significantly. Right now, China is in full combat mode; get things done as fast as possible, ready for any short term immediate pain. Scientists toiling night and day giving 110% effort under maximal pressure to save the country is exactly what things look like leading to eurika! (For me, it is quite frankly reminiscent of Einstein's final push to complete the Manhattan project.) But if this effort is bled by the influx of foreign components again, the pressure released, the pace might be dropped down to a get-it-done-sometime-in-the-next-few-years rate, and who knows where it goes from there? I want another 4 years of Trump to help China finish this push.

No need to, the anti- China crowd will still be there to push China into tech independent.
 

ZeEa5KPul

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China has more people than the US and EU combined, more stem talent than the entire developed world combined; if China can't get this done in record time, Chinese people don't deserve to use cellphones!
You know, I really like your attitude and I think China could use a lot more of it - it's certainly better than the timid, frightened peasant mentality endemic to China. But I don't think you quite have to go full Mao.
It might not crush China's new drive for tech independence but it will bleed from it significantly.
I don't know if a desperate scramble would improve China's chances of getting to something like an EUV scanner sooner. I also think that whatever happens in the China-US relationship, the technology Rubicon has been crossed and there's no going back.
 

siegecrossbow

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A paralyzed man who could only communicate by blinking his eyes, used a brain implant to say "Hello" through a computer, reportedly the first in the world, which touched medical staff at the Second Affiliated Hospital of Xi'an Jiaotong University, Northwest China's Shaanxi Province.

The brain-computer interface (BCI) technology was developed by the Second Affiliated Hospital of Xi'an Jiaotong University, in conjunction with the School of Mechanical Engineering under Xi 'an Jiaotong University, and has attracted a lot of attention.

The patient, whose spinal cord was damaged in a fall, can only communicate with doctors by blinking. Using BCI technology, the patient can "speak" his thoughts by looking at a computer screen that is pulsating with characters or pinyin.

"This is the first case in medical history around the world, according to our research. To say 'Hello' is just the first successful step. We are planning to expand the language menu and help patients express themselves through BCI technology," Wang Gang, the deputy director of ICU department at the hospital, told the Global Times on Wednesday.

From 'Hello' to better communication

BCI uses electrodes to collect bioelectrical signals generated by brain activity, and then processes and analyzes the signals through a computer to decode signals such as movement and vision, to achieve human-computer interaction, according to the Xinhua News Agency.

BCI technology has been widely used in education, military, medicine and other fields.

BCI can be used to diagnose neurological diseases, predict and suppress the onset of epilepsy and in the recovery of stroke patients.

However, using BCI to help critical care patients has been limited. The simple "hello" represents a big step forward in the use of BCI in critical care patients, Wang said.

BCI is expected to help patients who lost speech functions to effectively communicate with medical staff and their families, allowing the patients to express their inner thoughts more accurately, Wang said.

The technology allows patients to select words by looking at an on-screen image.

A patient will focus on a word on the screen and the computer will be able determine which image is being stared at. The computer, for example, can determine the patient's choice between images for eat and drink.

A patient can also spell out what they want to say by looking at 26 letters on the screen. The patient who spoke "hello" spelled out the word, said Wang.

"Critical care medical staff usually ask patients to blink their eyes and ask them 'are you thirsty?' or 'do you need to go to the bathroom?' If the patient wants to express something, such as which relatives they want to see, staff won't know what they want," Wang said.

Wang was surprised his patient successfully said "Hello" on his first try, taking only 20 seconds. The research team was worried his brain waves would be abnormal because his fall had caused brain damage.

"Patients with large cerebral infarction or ischemia have abnormal brain waves, making attempts to use BCI technology less successful," said Wang, adding that "with the development of BCI tech, I wish more patients suffering from serious encephalopathy can also learn to 'speak'."

The medical team is considering replacing the computer screen with a tablet or phone to make the device more portable that can be installed next to the patient's bed.

In the future, Wang hopes the BCI technology will capture not only signals from the visual centers, but also the frontal, parietal and hippocampus regions of the brain, which are involved in complex brain signals related to thoughts, emotions and memories.

Humanistic care

The hospital and Xi'an Jiaotong University's School of Mechanical Engineering studied how BCI technology can be used in critical care treatment for a year.

Wang's experience fighting COVID-19 in Wuhan inspired him to quickly promote a BCI clinical study.

"I thought about how to make severely ill patients feel more relaxed, reduce their anxiety and depression, and how to make critical care more humanistic," Wang explained.
 

free_6ix9ine

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You know, I really like your attitude and I think China could use a lot more of it - it's certainly better than the timid, frightened peasant mentality endemic to China. But I don't think you quite have to go full Mao.

I don't know if a desperate scramble would improve China's chances of getting to something like an EUV scanner sooner. I also think that whatever happens in the China-US relationship, the technology Rubicon has been crossed and there's no going back.

I agree. I think what China needs is a couple of years of relative stability to patch up the semiconductor weakness. There is no turning back from tech self sufficiency.
 
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