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ansy1968 said:

Hi KYli,

thanks for the prompt reply,

At least the 5g base station is safe , thats were the money is, how about their other business like AI ,cloud and others?
about the equipment , is China able to cover all areas for chip production? and also will Japan also join the US in restricting sales of equipment?

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SPOOPYSKELETON said:

If we consider the United States as a settler colonial state at its foundation, then it makes sense why China's soft power initiatives did not work.

The people who are pro-China in America can be split into 2 groups. There are the businessmen who make money in China, and the political radicals who see China as a model of a potential socialist state in their own countries.

Outreach to the former essentially tells ordinary Americans that they have to compete with harder workers across the ocean, outreach to the latter tells people precisely how Chinese society is better than American society.

Now, does anyone truly believe this is what Americans want to hear? Since the American working and middle classes are a labor aristocracy that benefited tremendously from the exploitation of the Global South, how is making the case for a successful socialist state suppose to appeal to them? It directly attacks their bottom line and relative status in the world.

This therefore explains America's zero sum view towards China. China's loss is America's gain and vice versa. Under these conditions, it is impossible for the two nations to engage as equals. One must be subordinate to the other. No wonder that the American bourgeoisie started becoming wary of China when it both started to exceed America economically and politically (by this I mean obtaining independence from the American led world order).

It also explains why appeals to "win-win cooperation" with the Americans have had zero effect. The fact that people are still going on about "win-win cooperation" just shows a fundamental misunderstanding. They aren't, have never been, and never will be interested in that, considering the foundations of the country are in ruthless, zero sum conquests!

Even George Washington did not start the revolution for "freedom", but for the right to exploit land in the Ohio River valley. The entire class of American revolutionaries wanted a piece of that action, long before they wrote a single letter about "free speech." The Maoist administration had a much better understanding of America, since the conceptualization of America as an imperialist machine of the expansionist American bourgeoisie is "within the ballpark" of reality, compared to the more modern conception of them as "guardians of the world order, which will allow the chinese bourgeoisie to join".

Under these conditions, there is no possible measure by which America is "better" than China. Therefore, America is "losing", which is a problem that needed fixing. Also why America constantly attacks China for fake allegations of "human rights abuses." Liberal virtues such as the election spectacle, freeze peach, or other so called freedumbs are the only things that America has more of than China.

Perhaps if the Chinese bourgeoisie had realized this 5 years ago, there would be less of a scramble to catch up to the West. But that was then and this is now. America is fighting for its dignity, not for money or oil, and that ultimately changes how far they are willing to go.

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SPOOPYSKELETON said:

Perhaps if the Chinese bourgeoisie had realized this 5 years ago, there would be less of a scramble to catch up to the West. But that was then and this is now. America is fighting for its dignity, not for money or oil, and that ultimately changes how far they are willing to go.

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horse said:

Things happen. In hindsight, everything is idealized.

There is no way 5 years ago could China do what it is trying to do today, IMHO. In terms of economics, technology, finance, and politics, China is far stronger today than 5 years ago.

Also, regarding Huawei and 5G, the Americans have a peculiar trait in their nature.

What did they say in the 36 Tricks, the last trick? To run away is the tops/best.

When the fight is lost, better to regroup for the next one, but that is not America. They keep on fighting even when it is lost already. That is why the Vietnam War dragged on for 8 years when after 3 years it was obvious even back then to people. Afghanistan and Iraq today, same dynamic at work. That is the American, and that is rather strange.

In regards to Huawei and 5G networks, the Americans lost and lost big. Stand alone 5G network exists in China today. Where is America's stand alone 5G network? Was it not what this US Government versus Huawei fight was about?

Sure it was, but they will continue fighting, even though not sure or clear to anybody how the Americans are going to win now. You win by building a 5G network and then make it a stand alone network, then reap all of the new technologies that spring from that. But they ban Huawei again, in short they are still fighting the same losing battle.

Seems to me the best thing for the PRC to do to make the Americans continuing to fight this losing battle in Huawei 5G for as long as possible. The outcome is certain, as China already built stand alone 5G networks and about to install more national wide. Americans are 5 to 10 years behind at least. With a certain outcome, the longer the fight, the bigger the lost.

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BMEWS said:

Americans broke the Japs codes during WWII but strategically entered it after Pearl Harbor to captialize on the end of WWII setting up the Brenton Woods... Then in the 70's when the dollar looked like it was gonna fall apart Nixon took it off the gold standard but substituted it for OPEC and hence the petrodollar was born. Now China is OPEC's biggest importer and also the world's largest trading partner, US needs another trick and this time it was going to be getting everyone on digital dollar... so it couldn't let China beat it to the punch with Huawei 5G, Chinese smartphones, and apps like WeChat Pay, Alibaba payments and even TikTok was a threat since it was already widely adopted in the US/West and could easily be enchance to support payment and the digital Yuan blockchain etc... This is not just about 5G for instrastructure, if you look at why US is blocking Huawei, TikTok, WeChat, and now Trump says Alibaba next, it makes perfect sense, this is about battle for the world's future global currency and American will do anything to make sure China doesn't make headways into it...

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