I thought we are arguing about the most advanced semiconductor equipment. If you think outdated equipment is the same, then I have not much to say.
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I thought we are arguing about the most advanced semiconductor equipment. If you think outdated equipment is the same, then I have not much to say.
Hi ILikeChina,
Thanks for the reply, well it means that the cellphone business will be gone, how about the other business ,they also target the Cloud market, did it also contain any US tech, I know it is a new field for anybody and everybody start at zero.
manqiangrexue
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No, that it hasn't been put into practical application doesn't mean that it doesn't work; it is a research paper just published. It states that it is far from implementation in the paper because it is early research. All methods started with early research. Dismissal of this is thoughtless dismissal.
Actually, I commented on that at least twice but you had selective illiteracy:
From #6323:
"You're moving the goalpost. You first said that it's not capable of mass-production. Now you say it's not as fast as a traditional machine. Well, like I said, there are many variables including how many lasers, how fast, and how expensive the machine is to make and run. For example, if it is 10% as fast as a traditional lithography machine but 5% the cost and much smaller, it is better as a mass-producer. "
From #6341:
"Going in circles; a one vs. one speed comparison against a modern EUV machine that is $180 million and the size of a house is not the only way to go about things. Your repeated attempts to move the goalpost fail to cover the fact that you said focused lasers cannot do mass work but they can."
Your reading ability is weak. This is your selective illiteracy again; I commented that the deal might either need to be refunded or that it might not be included in the ban if it was signed and licensing delivered prior to it.
From #6412:
"So I don't know if that agreement has already been signed and license transferred so the deal is completed before the announcement today or if it will need to be cancelled and refunded."
yes, it is included. Huawei smartphones industry is in a difficult place now. Let just see if they could set up fabs for 45nm and 28nm without American equipment in the next few months or years.
EUV is the bench mark. It cant anywhere near that then its not mass production capable.
Your DNA reading doesnt stand.
Base on that i can dismiss it. Con man research
You can make a come back if its being adopted later. The onus is on you. Thats the way it goes. Tons of research are useless. Only they proven then its something otherwise little hope.
Refunded? How do you know theres a refund?
What if qualcomm took money and not give anything back ?
Its huawei money. Its onus on you they get back money or receive things in return
manqiangrexue
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Nope, not true. If it can't be as fast but can be much cheaper, then multiple machines working in parallel can make up the difference. Gotta learn to read.
Your logic doesn't stand.
You can dismiss it for yourself but nobody here believes you or or logically-devoid con man posting.
Nope, I said it's research with potential, and that has already been met. There is no onus on me; it's on you to show why it's impossible and you've failed miserably. You told me the paper was relisted but failed to show that as well.
You need to read the news on that. If they said the deal was completed and there is no other news, you can assume that the contract went through due to some technicality or because it was before the ban. If there is news that it was cancelled and refunded, then you can assume that. If there is news that the license was cancelled but Qualcomm stole the money, then that's what happened. So far, we are in number 1.
Right and so far, there is no indication that neither will happen, which is what you asserted without proof.
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Hi KYli,
thanks for the prompt reply,
At least the 5g base station is safe , thats were the money is, how about their other business like AI ,cloud and others?
about the equipment , is China able to cover all areas for chip production? and also will Japan also join the US in restricting sales of equipment?
manqiangrexue
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Uh... your brain is not up to the level of this conversation. New tech, still in early research, has potential. There's not supposed to be takers as in implementation for industrial use at this stage. That doesn't make it bullshit; it makes your "brain" bullshit that you can't understand this logic.
It does not say that; your articles say that from today, the day of the order, Trump's deal is in effect. It does not say that retrospective licenses are cancelled and even more, it does not specifically say anything about the Qualcomm deal with Huawei as these deals often involve complicated legalities and loopholes. It also doesn't state if the license/tech transfer is already completed and in Huawei's hands. There are so many unknowns but you have confidently made an assertion as to what happened as you always do when you are ignorant.
China needs to compile a complete list of every single major import category into china form the US as well as the profit margin to american manufacturers of these products. As well, the list should include the non-american AND domestic manufacturers of the same product. This list needs to be distributed to every single chinese citizen. Let the Chinese consumer see exactly how much money they are contributing to a US bent on China's imminent destruction each time they purchase a product.
Chinese people need to feel shame when they buy the american branded product. Ideally the estimated profit margins should be posted on online portals as well as at retail stores (apple i am looking at you). I don't favour a ban of any american products because that reduces technological diffusion which benefits china, but every individual purchase by a chinese consumer should be a thoughtful exercise where chinese people know the full consequences of thier consumer actions. I want the chinese consumer to feel real apprehension if they need to buy a mass spectrometer or other machine from the US at 50% markup, they need to feel guilty, and other people need to see how much money greedy american pigs are making off the chinese consumer, and hopefully create a domestic competitor. American companies are making way higher profit margins selling to china rather than the reverse.
Chinese people need to feel shame when they buy the american branded product. Ideally the estimated profit margins should be posted on online portals as well as at retail stores (apple i am looking at you). I don't favour a ban of any american products because that reduces technological diffusion which benefits china, but every individual purchase by a chinese consumer should be a thoughtful exercise where chinese people know the full consequences of thier consumer actions. I want the chinese consumer to feel real apprehension if they need to buy a mass spectrometer or other machine from the US at 50% markup, they need to feel guilty, and other people need to see how much money greedy american pigs are making off the chinese consumer, and hopefully create a domestic competitor. American companies are making way higher profit margins selling to china rather than the reverse.
He doesn't understand that just because EUV can make 7nm chips at scale, doesnt mean it's the only way to do it.
Is this research a silver bullet? No. it is still theory but it doesn't automatically mean it is BS.
EUV is literally one wave length on a spectrum ranging from Gamma ray to visible light. There are also wave lengths much shorter than EUV...so the idea that EUV is the only way to do 7nm and below is naive. This is the mentality I was talking about, worshipping everything from the west and not even bothering to even think outside the box and automatically assuming there is only on solution to a problem. I rest my case.