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nastya1 said:

Whats your assertions now you denying??
State your assertions.

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My assertions have never changed; if you think they have, it is your English problem.

1. There is potential for future use of focus laser on IC. It has been demonstrated and accepted by a peer-reviewed journal by experts far more qualified than yourself. A focused laser can read 3x10^9 base pairs of DNA in a few hours; there is definitely potential for fast work. Your dismissal of the idea as "bullshit" is obviously due to the inferior level of education, knowledge, and innovative thinking that you possess in comparison the the scientists that did the research and the reviewers that approved the paper for publication.

2. As the article said, Huawei has licensed some technology from Qualcomm; it does not specify what and it certainly does not indicate that it is chips:

" HUAWEI Technologies has agreed to pay Qualcomm Inc US$1.8 billion to settle a patent dispute and obtain new technology licensing, US-based chip designer Qualcomm said yesterday. "

nastya1 said:

1)A journal is mostly for theory. You put all your eggs there spell doom. Common sense said if thats practical others would already use that method. Focused laser is not hard. EUV is hard.
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Huawei 1.8 billion goes to dumpster

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1) Every working design started in theory. Nobody is putting all of its eggs there; China is investing in many approaches to making both conventional and innovative lithographs. This is moving the goalpost; you said it was impossible and their research is "bullshit" and now you say it is theory. Of course; that's what research is and that's what potential alludes to. Focused laser is easier than EUV but the whole point of research is to expand our understanding of physics and with the expanded understanding and new techniques, it's possible to achieve something previously very difficult by a much simpler way. That is how science advances.

2)That article says nothing to counter what I just wrote in the last post. Your logic and argument skills are in the dumpster.

" So I don't know if that agreement has already been signed and license transferred so the deal is completed before the announcement today or if it will need to be cancelled and refunded. But your assertion that Huawei paid for nothing is unsupported. Huawei's technical team, legal team, and financial team, all know more than you; that's for sure. "

nastya1 said:

1) you basically banking your hope on a theory. Just say so!

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Not at all; reread: " Nobody is putting all of its eggs there; China is investing in many approaches to making both conventional and innovative lithographs." You are moving the goalpost; what you called "bullshit" now you call "theory." Just say so!

nastya1 said:

2)my assertion that huawei 1.8 billion go to dumpster is supported by trump new announcement.

You said you dont know. Whats your assertion support by?

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The difference between us is that when I don't know, I say I don't know; I look for evidence and read articles. When you don't know, you take your best guess and vehemently argue it as the truth that stands until it is disproved as you are doing now. And just because I said I don't know which one it is between 2 reasonable and likely scenarios does not mean I am open to your unsupported wild guess of a scenario.

nastya1 said:

If huawei knows what it doing how did they got into this predicament?

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"Knowing what it is doing" is a very broad and pointless term. They sure know more than you what they are doing. And this type of logic is just retarded. Anyone can easily reply, "If Huawe doesn't know what it's doing then how come it has the best 5G tech in the world?"

nastya1 said:

So they can buy future ASML tools. Sanctioned companies cannot

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The whole premise of your argument is that you believe TSMC and Samsung are superior. you believe that even if they got sanctioned, these companies can still operate ASML equipment because they have experienced. "believe" is all you are arguing upon.

On the contrary, Fujian Jinhua has shown us that without support from equipment suppliers, they couldn't get their operation going. Furthermore, ASML service is ten times more than its equipment sales which should clear indicate service is essential for ASML equipment. Otherwise, why should companies pay for it.

manqiangrexue said:

Not at all; reread: " Nobody is putting all of its eggs there; China is investing in many approaches to making both conventional and innovative lithographs." You are moving the goalpost; what you called "bullshit" now you call "theory." Just say so!

The difference between us is that when I don't know, I say I don't know; I look for evidence and read articles. When you don't know, you take your best guess and vehemently argue it as the truth that stands until it is disproved as you are doing now. And just because I said I don't know between 2 reasonable scenarios, which one it is does not mean I am open to your unsupported wild guess of a scenario.


"Knowing what it is doing" is a very broad and pointless term. They sure know more than you what they are doing. And this type of logic is just retard. Anyone can easily reply, "If Huawe doesn't know what it's doing then how come it has the best 5G tech in the world?"

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manqiangrexue said:

Not at all; reread: " Nobody is putting all of its eggs there; China is investing in many approaches to making both conventional and innovative lithographs." You are moving the goalpost; what you called "bullshit" now you call "theory." Just say so!

The difference between us is that when I don't know, I say I don't know; I look for evidence and read articles. When you don't know, you take your best guess and vehemently argue it as the truth that stands until it is disproved as you are doing now. And just because I said I don't know which one it is between 2 reasonable and likely scenarios does not mean I am open to your unsupported wild guess of a scenario.


"Knowing what it is doing" is a very broad and pointless term. They sure know more than you what they are doing. And this type of logic is just retard. Anyone can easily reply, "If Huawe doesn't know what it's doing then how come it has the best 5G tech in the world?"

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1)How do you know China is investing on focused laser method? Last i heard is they delisted that guy research paper from the institute. Most likely after more review they feel its a gimmick.
Why do you feel so strong about something you dont know.


2)huawei knows 5g what's that has to do trump banning chips to huawei?

KYli said:

The whole premise of your argument is that you believe TSMC and Samsung are superior. you believe that even if they got sanctioned, these companies can still operate ASML equipment because they have experienced. "believe" is all you are arguing upon.

On the contrary, Fujian Jinhua has shown us that without support from equipment suppliers, they couldn't get their operation going. Furthermore, ASML service is ten times more than its equipment sales which should clear indicate service is essential for ASML equipment. Otherwise, why should companies pay for it.

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its a proven fact second hand ASML equipments operating in fabs without ASML services.

Second or third hands equipments are used without original manufacturer services and support.

Its like a product warranty

Come on

Hi KYli,

Is the latest Huawei sanction include the Mediatek chip supply deal.

I posted this to refute any delusion that China could somehow compete in the semiconductor sector in the early days. Let me say every high tech require money and resource. Without enormous amount of money to keep investing in them, you just can't stay competitive.


中国大陆明明知道芯片不行，几十年前为什么不发展芯片？

nastya1 said:

Huawei
1)How do you know China is investing on focused laser method?

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They invested cus they funded the research. I never said they would specifically go forth with it but it is a theory and a possibility, not bullshit. That's all. It's up to them to decide if it should move on or be shelved, or even be integrated into another approach.

nastya1 said:

Last i heard is they delisted that guy research paper from the institute. Most likely after more review they feel its a gimmick.

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If that happened, it would support that there was something very wrong with the paper, its conclusions, or that it was outright fraudulent. Can you post your link to that information?

nastya1 said:

Why do you feel so strong about something you dont know.

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I feel strongly for exploring possibilities instead of your ignorant dismissal. I don't have any particular liking or disliking to this approach, only that it cannot be thoughtlessly dismissed as you have done.

nastya1 said:

2)huawei knows 5g what's that has to do trump banning chips to huawei?

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Huawei knows 5G; it has a legal team to handle more contracts around the world than any other telecoms company. I knows how to sign a contract and what legalities to look out for, at least far better than you.

ansy1968 said:

Hi KYli,

Is the latest Huawei sanction include the Mediatek chip supply deal.

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Yes, It includes ban on every company.
And I am angry because Xi administration is doing nothing. There must be huge retalion, and then hope when Biden wins to negotiate withdrawal of sanctions from both sides.